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so welcome everyone to the blue

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ribbon panel hopefully the national

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enquirer will do

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no we'll take no legal action against us

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today but uh we're we're stealing it

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uh i am joined today by an illustrious

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group of podcasters and

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this evening we will be presenting you

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all with some obscure ufo stories and

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we'll be taking some of your questions

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too

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our first panelist is an author ufo

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researcher

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you've seen him on your tv screen

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recently and he is the host of the

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somewhere in the skies podcast

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ryan sprague ryan how you doing buddy

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man good it's so i'm so happy to be

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talking to you again man

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many people uh in my audience know you

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from ufo happy hour so

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this is the ultimate ufo happy hour in

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my opinion so thanks for having me

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yeah absolutely man absolutely uh next

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too is an author ufo researcher you may

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have seen him on various tv programs

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yourself including

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he is uh also the host of unknown a ufo

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he is jason mclaughlin jason how you

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doing buddy i am fantastic sir

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i'm excited to be here and ryan is right

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i mean this is the ultimate happy hour

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next up he is one of the founders of the

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fourth hand media network

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also a bon jovi super fan and one of the

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of hysteria 51 foreign you know

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90 of that isn't true but i'm not going

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to say which part of it but rob everyone

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thank you guys for having me i feel a

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mountain dew i didn't get the memo but

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happy to be here that's fine i've got

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water this evening so

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i think the memo said drink clorox or

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i have a main line started you just

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can't see it it's right off camera

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and uh the final panelist here he holds

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a phd in chemical engineering

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he's the host of the mad scientist

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podcast and the eternal enemy

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of ufo twitter it's chris cogswell hello

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everybody yes i can say i'm not that

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kind of doctor but please don't drink

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not gonna work not a cure for what ails

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it is not a cure for what will ail you

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uh yes welcome everyone it is really

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great to have you here

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and uh to uh everyone out there that's

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tuning in

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we're gonna share some great ufo stories

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with you uh we have all picked our

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brains to find

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the best ones chris cogswell over

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thought this thing a million

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times through that's how much he really

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cares about this right now so

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uh when we're done with the stories

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first story ryan

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kick us off with the first story man

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yeah so uh this was an interesting one i

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compelling as

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um a lot of the other ones but i found

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it really interesting you don't hear

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and this was a train or i should say a

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ufo colliding with a train

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uh this happened back in 2002 and i've

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um the conductor and other workers on

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they actually noticed um these strange

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an oncoming train on another track going

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know do the right thing so i don't blind

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and um he dims the lights and as soon as

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the train is starting to go around to

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the lights start coming towards them so

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something's coming right at him

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the things over the river said that they

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some sort of lights looking down into

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everyone starts freaking out they don't

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um the conductor starts to slow the

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just around the bend it just everything

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crash into whatever this thing is

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clipped the top of the train and um

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hit a few times and then completely

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um this was out of jacksonville florida

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so they finally get to paintsville and

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the conductor and all the workers get

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were completely demolished there were

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deads and scrapes everywhere

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uh they see a bunch of people there so

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like okay this is all the people at the

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they're gonna come check it out with us

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and as they get to the station

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they're just a ton of people dressed in

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and start inspecting it and looking at

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it and meanwhile the conductor the main

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witness says we'll call him

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he said that a gentleman only known as

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ferguson came up to him shook his hand

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he was there but he said let's let's go

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asking hundreds and hundreds of

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questions about what he'd seen

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uh what happened this that this that

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people that had worked on the train they

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medical examinations um to make sure

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giving their phones back and after the

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um sort of the inquisition was done

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um for national security purposes please

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please remain silent about it and we'll

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act like this never happen

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so they get back to their train they get

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just vanish and the main witness said

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that there was a tent set up on the

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um completely covered shrouded he

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the other train cars were for further

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investigation i don't know they all get

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they go about eight hours to their

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destination turn around to go back

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to um their original their original

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everything's gone completely it's like

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this thing never happened

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um this is pretty interesting um

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it's just a story but what i found

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actually pretty interesting about it is

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there was a corroborating witness to

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possibly the same event we're not

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exactly sure a firefighter and a

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paramedic were on their way from work

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and they said that as

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they were going down the road they saw

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towards the direction of paintsville

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they saw

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these huge luminous objects whiz past

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them at unbelievable speeds

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and while they was passed the car

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completely shut down

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you know close encounter style and um

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that was it uh that was reported to new

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fork i believe

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um and yeah so this is an interesting

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one that i wanted to bring to you guys

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i've never heard about a ufo colliding

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with a train

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it is just a story um rob you did bring

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to me a official

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report from um who was it ron

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um mark rodiger yeah

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um an official report where they they

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got in touch with this main witness and

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hammered the dude to try to with you

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know see if he was legit

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they asked him all these questions about

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the train his job

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um what he's seen the distance all this

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stuff this that

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and um they s they came away thinking um

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mark in this other investigator he knows

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what he's talking about

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it seems like something happened so uh

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this one was really interesting to me

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again it's just a story um everyone

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remained anonymous that reported it

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um but i don't know we don't know what

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really happened there in paint spill but

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i thought it was a pretty

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exciting story to share with you guys so

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i'd love to get your thoughts on it

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it's uh i i remember first

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uh seeing it on a hanger one like

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it's it's weird how many cases that show

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introduced me to because it's it's quite

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a few

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like but i i remember just being like

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what

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the ufo hit a train and like like

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really it's it's kind of this obscure

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case that

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uh i i know new fork has uh some

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information on it

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and um a couple other places but uh yeah

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it's it's one of those

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wild cases love it i feel like i should

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be offended for

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people who work on trains considering

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you're like i don't look like normal

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trained people like what did normal

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train people look like ryan

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what do you mean everyone knows fancy

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suits and chickens

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you know they wear suspenders they've

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all got that same

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hat a bundle on a stick what are you

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talking about bro

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you're talking to the new york city guy

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the city boy

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i don't i don't know what trade folk

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look like a little known fact

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trains little known fact trains were

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outlawed in new york in the late 1800s

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so this is all

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foreign to him the people on trains in

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new york like the long island expressway

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and things like that they're different

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types of trained people

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so yeah no there's yeah there's okay

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ryan you have an excuse i was gonna say

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the 1am train back to the staten island

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ferry that's a different kind of person

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different noon into midtown right that's

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a different kind of person that's a good

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point man yeah so

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interesting oh man that's such an

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interesting case

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yeah and i know jason you were on hanger

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one did you have any

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uh knowledge about this case um i know

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when i brought it to you guys early on

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you kind of

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wondering um what have you heard about

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this one man personally

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i i certainly didn't have anything to do

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with this case on hanger one um

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i'm pretty sure it was covered in uh the

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second season

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which i was not a part okay um i was

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just in the first season so

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no knowledge of it from the show but i

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will say from from the description of

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this

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case you know not not to be a debunker

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could certainly have to take in all of

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the the different elements of this case

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witness testimony things like that but

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the response you know certainly

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you could see it being the same for

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military recovering

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you know a top secret experiment gone

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wrong their response would have been the

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same they would have swooped in

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removed all evidence of said experiment

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going wrong

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and uh sent people on their way so just

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yeah uh that that's definitely a

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possibility

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so uh jace we're gonna uh

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uh move to your story now so uh uh go

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ahead and uh with your story that you

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gotta

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bring in all right well the case i'm

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discussing today

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involves a strange incident that

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occurred way back on october 27

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1954 in florence italy

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this one had 10 000 fans who were packed

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in a stadium that day

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for a football match now of course here

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we're talking about european football or

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soccer as we call it here in the states

396
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and just after half time the crowd fell

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silent

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as they saw this ufo appear over the

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stadium

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both fans and players stopped like they

401
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stopped the game

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to look up at this weird object in the

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sky

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and witnesses describe being stunned by

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what they were seeing

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one player even said that the ufo looked

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like an egg

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moving slowly through the sky and if an

409
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egg moving through the sky isn't weird

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enough

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he also said that glitter

412
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was coming down from the sky silver

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glitter

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sounds like a party other witnesses said

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they saw

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multiple cigar-shaped ufos that were

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moving fast

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we then stopped and just hovered in

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place so

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we've got a mass ufo sighting here

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involving not just one

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but multiple ufos witnessed by thousands

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of people

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that's cool but let's get back to this

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glitter that was falling from the sky

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this

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material is a strange sticky substance

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that has been reported in other ufo

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cases

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and it's most often referred to as angel

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hair

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uh several media outlets ran stories on

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this incident

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but i believe it was the bbc that

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reported

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that multiple witnesses collected

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samples of this

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goo this angel hair and gave it to the

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institute of chemical analysis

440
00:15:20,629 --> 00:15:18,720
at the university of florence so

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spectrographic analysis there

442
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revealed that this material came boron

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silicon

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calcium and magnesium so researchers

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knew

446
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the composition of the goo but that's

447
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about

448
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it they couldn't really determine what

449
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it was other than its composition

450
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but when it comes to ufos

451
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there's always someone who

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00:15:46,069 --> 00:15:45,279
knows the answers and in this particular

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case

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one person who loudly proclaimed he had

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all the answers

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was the notorious james magaha if you're

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not familiar with james magaha

458
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he's an astronomer and director of the

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grasslands observatory in tucson arizona

460
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he's also a retired air force pilot who

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held a top secret clearance

462
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and even worked at area 51 but he's most

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00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:08,639
known

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for being a hardcore ufo skeptic

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his explanation for the 1954 mass ufo

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00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:16,079
sighting

467
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well spiders

468
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he didn't start with spiders uh when he

469
00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:24,160
initially looked at the case he thought

470
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that a fireball meteor breaking up in

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the atmosphere could explain what people

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saw

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but then he said it became fairly

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apparent that the sighting was actually

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caused

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by young spiders spinning webs what

477
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okay so he explained that migrating

478
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spiders use webs as sails

479
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and when these link together you get a

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big glob

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that spiders right on to move between

482
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locations that's true they do that i

483
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just want to say that

484
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i love scientists and i love when

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00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:54,720
scientists evaluate

486
00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:57,920
ufo or other paranormal events now that

487
00:17:02,470 --> 00:16:59,279
being said

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00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:02,480
magaha is a noted skeptic who relishes

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the opportunity

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00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:06,640
to explain away any and all ufo

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00:17:10,309 --> 00:17:07,520
sightings

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because to him the ufo phenomenon is

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nothing

494
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:14,319
but myth magic and superstition

495
00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:17,839
he's said that from time to time and uh

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that's what he lives by

497
00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:22,079
but robert pinotti he's the president of

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italy's national ufo center

499
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disagreed with magaha's fighter theory

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and one of the main reasons

501
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is the analysis done on the angel hair

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the bbc

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pointed out that spider silk is a

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protein an

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organic compound containing nitrogen

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calcium hydrogen

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and oxygen not the elements reportedly

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found in the samples by witnesses

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now philip ball who's a science writer

510
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and a fellow of the royal society of

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chemistry

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agreed that the spider theory sounded

513
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pretty flimsy

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he explained that magnesium and calcium

515
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are fairly common elements in living

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bodies

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or on its silicon not so much but

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if these were the main elements that the

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white fluff contained

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it doesn't sound like they come from

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spiders

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so that was his analysis and then there

523
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were the 10 000 witnesses who watched

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the ufos moving very fast and then

525
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stopping in the sky to hover so as with

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most decades-old ufo cases it's unlikely

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that this mass ufo sighting will

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ever be definitively solved no matter

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how hard

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people like james mcgaha insist on

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ignoring witness testimony

532
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and scientific analysis weird case guys

533
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weird case gotta love spiders and ufos

534
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yeah you definitely do uh i think what's

535
00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:45,360
fascinating

536
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:48,960
is that it ties into the 54 flap that

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was going on

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in france at the time you had these a

539
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lot of these sightings

540
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all over the place of people seeing like

541
00:19:02,710 --> 00:18:59,280
classic saucer-shaped ufos

542
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:02,720
people in uh occupants wearing like

543
00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:04,240
diving suits is what they said

544
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:07,120
you know over and over again so uh yeah

545
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:08,840
that was probably one of the more

546
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:11,679
fascinating uh cases to come from that

547
00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:12,480
time

548
00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:16,160
and uh i think uh

549
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:19,440
really the um the cool thing was

550
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:22,480
is that amy michelle who was one of the

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00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:25,039
original investigators of that flap was

552
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actually able to

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00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:29,039
trace all of these sightings in

554
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:31,039
basically straight lines they could

555
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:33,280
track them so easily from place to place

556
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,799
to place place which was

557
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:36,960
you know really fascinating and uh yeah

558
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it's just a

559
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:41,200
classic case love that case

560
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:45,760
yeah i james is that his name

561
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:48,240
yeah i hate that dude i'm sorry i'm just

562
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:49,120
gonna say it

563
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,320
you know he does he does know

564
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:54,720
he doesn't even look into the case he's

565
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:56,640
just got his sound bites ready to go

566
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:58,720
whenever they have him on the news or

567
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:00,880
you know commenting on these things

568
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:02,960
i remember watching something recently

569
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:05,200
where they had james fox on after one of

570
00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:06,000
his documentaries

571
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:08,159
came out and the dude wouldn't even let

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00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:10,240
james get a word in edgewise until james

573
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:10,720
just

574
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,400
flat out took him down right then and

575
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:14,720
there so that was that was nice to see

576
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:17,280
finally that someone told this guy why

577
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,880
don't you actually look into the case

578
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:20,000
that you're debunking

579
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:21,919
immediately before you know passing

580
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:23,280
judgment he gives

581
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:25,120
scientists a really bad name when it

582
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:26,880
comes to ufos because

583
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:30,000
he turns off the science when he uh you

584
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:31,760
know gives an opinion about a ufo

585
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:32,480
sighting

586
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,880
he disregards any sort of evidence there

587
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,840
is to the case

588
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:37,840
and just spouts off what the first thing

589
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:39,280
that comes to his mind without even

590
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:40,799
looking into the details of the case

591
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:42,799
yeah pigeonholing your own your thought

592
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:45,679
process process into something without

593
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:48,000
regard for what's actually going on it's

594
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:49,679
just as bad as being a yes man

595
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:52,240
on the whole topic and you know that's

596
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:53,360
the whole

597
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:56,880
philip j class school of debunking there

598
00:21:03,909 --> 00:20:59,760
even though philip at least did research

599
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:05,590
it seems like one of those cases where

600
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:08,320
you know there's such more compelling

601
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:09,440
and interesting

602
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:12,960
um ulterior explanations for these

603
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:13,440
things

604
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,440
you know what i mean and even like the

605
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:17,280
the fact that it's silicon and boron

606
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,760
together in these strands

607
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:21,600
that to me sounds like borosilicate

608
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:24,640
glass right or borosilicate strands

609
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:27,679
um i was just gonna say that yeah which

610
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,000
which would be you know which would be

611
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:31,919
these which would be interesting in that

612
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:33,200
area i mean you know

613
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:36,320
um i mean it could be all kinds of

614
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:37,600
different things right that are that's

615
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,640
kind of going out there and hitting the

616
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:40,960
wind and whatever and like spider webs

617
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:43,919
are occasionally used for an explanation

618
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:45,200
for like angel hair or

619
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,480
what's called um star jelly right is

620
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:50,640
another name for the same kind of thing

621
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,520
but yeah to use that to try to explain

622
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:55,360
away like loads of people seeing

623
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:57,039
something and then saying no everyone in

624
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:58,240
that crowd thought it was an alien but

625
00:22:02,230 --> 00:21:59,360
it was actually a

626
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:02,240
spiders that's almost scary to me though

627
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:03,200
too spiders

628
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:05,360
flying around like this yeah i'm not

629
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:06,320
into that

630
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:09,600
know man not

631
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,559
cool especially on that grand of a scale

632
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:14,240
i mean they saw multiple like

633
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:16,000
what they thought were craft in the sky

634
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,600
i mean i have no idea what the size of

635
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:19,679
these things were but yes that is horror

636
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,240
movie

637
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:22,559
terrifying seriously right like not fun

638
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,600
not into it at

639
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:26,159
all like when you first started you said

640
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,840
a a silver

641
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,080
egg shaped thing came over a stadium and

642
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,840
dropped glitter and it sounded like the

643
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:33,360
goodyear blimp was there you know what i

644
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:33,840
mean

645
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:36,960
and it took a turn so that was a

646
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:39,840
i had never heard that one so yeah yeah

647
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,559
i think

648
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:42,960
too to point out what chris um chris was

649
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:43,600
saying

650
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,240
a prosaic or other scientific

651
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,240
explanation is just as fascinating

652
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:51,120
as being a ufo in my opinion i mean you

653
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,440
know

654
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:53,520
take strip it of alien immediately and

655
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:54,799
just say whoa

656
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:57,039
we have a anomaly that we've probably

657
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:58,640
never seen before happening here

658
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:01,120
so i i i always go back to that like

659
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,400
it's really interesting

660
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:05,039
to find a earthly explanation that could

661
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:06,640
be just as astounding as

662
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,840
um unearthly in my opinion yeah

663
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,360
and i mean that's that's something that

664
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,039
that we bring up with ufo sightings all

665
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:15,120
the time right i mean something is

666
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,559
is a ufo to somebody if they're not used

667
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:20,080
to seeing it we're getting all the the

668
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:21,360
starlink

669
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,799
sightings right now reported because

670
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,640
people aren't used to seeing this string

671
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:26,400
of satellites in the sky that continues

672
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,280
to grow

673
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,440
all the time if you're not used to

674
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,960
seeing something in the sky it looks

675
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:32,240
strange to you there for

676
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,600
ufo and how many of you have seen

677
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,159
spiders moving through the sky

678
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,919
on a ball of webs like i've never seen

679
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:41,679
that so if i saw it it would look really

680
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,559
freaky to me

681
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:44,480
yeah one of the things that always blows

682
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:45,760
my mind just going off of what you just

683
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:46,400
said too

684
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:48,000
is when people come forward with things

685
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:49,760
like that you say well that actually is

686
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:51,039
skylink

687
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,080
uh it's one of the things i've seen

688
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,480
where they go nope that's not what it is

689
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,559
and they want it to be something that

690
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:58,240
it's not and i think that's just human

691
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:59,120
nature though

692
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:00,240
but it is something that i've been

693
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,510
yeah uh like i said uh fascinating craze

694
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:09,360
so uh brent why don't you uh go ahead

695
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:10,480
with yours man

696
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,559
yeah so i have the august 29th of 1979

697
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,559
uh truck driver incident with harry

698
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,240
turner uh he was

699
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,640
woke up in fredericksburg va that was

700
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:22,320
his destination where he was headed and

701
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,679
the problem was

702
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:25,679
he had no memory of getting there and

703
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,039
the last thing that he remembered

704
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,600
was eating at a truck stop uh right

705
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,360
after he left to go on to

706
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,840
to his normal hall then boom he's at the

707
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:35,200
end of his route he's parked he's good

708
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,159
to go

709
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:38,640
so he looks around his truck and he sees

710
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:40,960
the odometer and it says that he's only

711
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,360
gone

712
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:44,000
17 miles though at that time he should

713
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,520
have went about 80 miles now

714
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:47,840
this is a truck driver so they keep logs

715
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:49,120
they should be able to see exactly where

716
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,919
they're at

717
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:51,200
uh at any time and that's something that

718
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,480
they if they get polar they have to

719
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,240
produce stuff like that

720
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:57,120
he also sees that uh his gun he carries

721
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:58,480
a gun in case there's

722
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:02,080
trouble as you know can and it is laying

723
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:02,960
out in the truck

724
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:06,159
and all eight shells are are

725
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,679
loose they've been expelled he shot it

726
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:09,840
he's emptied the entire magazine

727
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:12,080
uh so that's a little bit weird when you

728
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:13,440
have no memory of that

729
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:16,000
and he says after that you do that the

730
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:17,360
memory starts coming back and he

731
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:18,159
remembers

732
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,760
starting his route he's driving like

733
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,279
normal for a little while

734
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:23,440
then he sees a bright light come down

735
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,720
from the sky and he's kind of coming

736
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,400
towards his truck

737
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,720
and starts following them and then just

738
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,840
like i think

739
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,279
we've seen in so many things he has

740
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:34,159
electrical issues uh his cb radio and

741
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,840
his regular radio start doing static and

742
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:37,360
then boom this loud

743
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:40,640
tone comes through and that's when the

744
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:41,679
fun starts

745
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:44,640
and by fun i mean filling terror i think

746
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:45,360
um

747
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,080
struck as is is stopped and everything

748
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,159
there is filled with light

749
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,720
so he collects himself he tries to get

750
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:54,640
out of the truck and he says that

751
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,440
he feels something that is invisible is

752
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:58,799
pushing on him

753
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,840
keeping him inside of his truck uh he

754
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,120
tries to get off of it

755
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,799
and he says that he actually quoted to

756
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,480
say it was like it had bionic strength

757
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,400
it was so strong he couldn't get out

758
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:10,799
so he grabs his gun and he just shark

759
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:11,840
starts shooting

760
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:14,080
just empties the whole thing and

761
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:15,440
whatever's holding him back

762
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:18,799
stops pushing and so he shuts the door

763
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,120
he sits there for a little bit he says

764
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,880
then he decides to get out and look

765
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:25,200
around and that's when he says that he's

766
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:28,559
inside of the hangar or the belly

767
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,000
of a large ufo and that is all he

768
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,840
remembers at that time

769
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:36,080
uh before waking up in fredericksburg

770
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:37,520
virginia

771
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:40,400
but that doesn't stop there so that was

772
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:41,520
like i said on

773
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:44,640
august 29th on september 3rd he's laying

774
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,760
in bed

775
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,679
and he's looking up at the ceiling and

776
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:49,520
all of a sudden he can see

777
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,320
he says through the ceiling and you can

778
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,840
see the stars and stuff

779
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,840
like an x-ray or you can see through

780
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,279
what's going on

781
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,520
he looks turns looks over at his wife

782
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:01,840
and he can see her skeletal

783
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:05,279
skeletal structure like inside of her

784
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,559
that's not normal i don't know if you

785
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:09,200
guys know that or not but he takes off

786
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:12,159
freaks him out takes off running ends up

787
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,480
in

788
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:14,880
a police chase that covers a couple

789
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,000
counties

790
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,720
they finally stop him and they think

791
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,080
he's crazy he's

792
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:22,559
screaming about all this stuff so they

793
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,360
do

794
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:25,919
take him into uh the hospital to have

795
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:26,640
him

796
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:29,679
uh checked out and they do say

797
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:32,480
uh oh he says that he's hearing tones in

798
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:33,120
his head

799
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,720
also he tells him that so they take him

800
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,640
in they do a complete mental and

801
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:38,480
physical evaluation in the guy and they

802
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,360
say that

803
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,520
he seems to be extremely sensitive to

804
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:43,200
light and sound

805
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:46,159
and he lacks control on the left side of

806
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:47,120
his body

807
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:50,960
he was touched on in the truck

808
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,200
um you could say maybe you know that

809
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,799
could be because of a he had a slight

810
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,120
stroke or something like that

811
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:59,440
mufon though in this story does start an

812
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,480
investigation

813
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,799
and they go to the trucking company to

814
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:04,080
kind of try to clock

815
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,919
you know corroborate a story to see

816
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,840
what's going on because he said and the

817
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,120
big thing there was like i said he said

818
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,279
he only went 17 miles or the

819
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,279
the the truck said that so that means he

820
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,120
would had to have teleported or

821
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,520
been picked up and placed at the

822
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,919
destination she was going to

823
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:21,440
truckers keep logged so this should be

824
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,399
an easy thing to try to figure out

825
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,799
and the paperwork is completely missing

826
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:28,880
they have none of his paperwork

827
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,440
so they look into his past as you do and

828
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,880
uh he told him that he worked

829
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:35,360
uh he was served in the navy uh he had

830
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:36,480
picks of being in the navy

831
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,840
and the sort of stuff like a veteran

832
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:40,000
would have so they request requested his

833
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:41,360
service records

834
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:44,559
and they're all gone all uh like a bob

835
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,200
lazar

836
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:47,279
setup type story like his work records

837
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:50,480
are gone his military records are gone

838
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:54,799
uh then he seems to you know he has a

839
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,679
mental break

840
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,080
you know he just he went crazy all this

841
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,919
stuff happens

842
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,919
and it ends up i mean that's kind of the

843
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:02,960
end of the story because they couldn't

844
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,600
verify

845
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,520
anything and you know a lot of people

846
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:07,600
have tossed around ideas of this aliens

847
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:07,840
and

848
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,600
initial travel future us

849
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,200
coming forward and granting him some

850
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,799
sort of uh i don't know if you want to

851
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:16,720
call it an evolutionary thing

852
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:18,559
where they can see through stuff it's a

853
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:19,760
weird story

854
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,399
and it did have some some investigation

855
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,240
uh parts to it that uh

856
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,480
didn't really work out uh if we're to

857
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,080
believe that those things are actually

858
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,000
missing

859
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:32,000
it's uh yeah it's an interesting story

860
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:33,279
i've never even i've never heard that

861
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:34,240
one before

862
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:37,919
um i uh

863
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,799
david flora in here with the uh stop too

864
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:42,880
much sexiness in one stream i appreciate

865
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:43,919
that david

866
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,919
i do uh and uh thanks everybody for uh

867
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,120
tuning in chris

868
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:51,039
i'm i'm sorry we had to start without

869
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,120
you but it is what it is dude

870
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:55,120
gotta do what you gotta do in this case

871
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,279
and uh dale uh

872
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,320
thanks for uh stopping in man but uh

873
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,840
yeah that's uh that's an interesting

874
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:03,360
case i've

875
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:06,720
i it parallels a lot of uh in in some

876
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,440
ways

877
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:10,080
a lot of uh other cases that i've had

878
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,559
well

879
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,799
not to not be a bandwagon jumper too but

880
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,720
it was on hanger one so i had to go

881
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,960
yeah that is that is true that is true

882
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,799
see a running theme here

883
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,799
right now you're never gonna live that

884
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,399
down bud you are never gonna live that

885
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:24,480
showdown

886
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,430
this was an interesting story to me

887
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,120
because i actually when i was younger i

888
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,440
was 18 years old and i was in a wreck

889
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:36,000
and i had head trauma big surprise to

890
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,200
you guys i'm sure but

891
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:39,600
uh i lost like a day of my life and as

892
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:41,679
time has gone by i filled in

893
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,120
the stuff that's happened by remembering

894
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,880
little tidbits and i would ask

895
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:48,240
you know my parents or whoever i was

896
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:49,520
with if that really happened and they

897
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:50,399
say yes

898
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,240
but sometimes you don't know if you're

899
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:53,919
remembering things or if you're making

900
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,559
them up

901
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:56,399
and i still don't i think that's an

902
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,519
important thing to remember in

903
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:58,960
situations like this and i'm not saying

904
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,600
that that's

905
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,840
what happened here at all or that he had

906
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:03,360
any sort of trauma but things like that

907
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,720
do happen and that's kind of

908
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:07,120
an interesting reason why i was was

909
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,320
drawn into this

910
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,799
specific case completely understandable

911
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:12,480
man completely understandable

912
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:15,440
um i loved it man i loved it i

913
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,399
appreciate it brent

914
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:19,120
thank you you're welcome i'm glad i

915
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,000
could do that for you

916
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:22,159
[Laughter]

917
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,720
i like the part with the skeleton yeah

918
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,559
yeah which is probably this that's so

919
00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:28,320
it's such a craze because like

920
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:31,670
baby baby no you're right

921
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,240
[Music]

922
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:36,880
if you think about like what um if you

923
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,960
think about what that means

924
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,720
right in terms of what this person's

925
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,480
actually seeing

926
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:44,640
because like you don't see like an x-ray

927
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,840
you're not you know i mean it's not like

928
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:47,039
you actually shoot like

929
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:49,039
like at home alone when he marv puts his

930
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:50,880
hands on the washing machine

931
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:53,039
yeah you know what i mean he's like

932
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,320
whatever you can see a skeleton right

933
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:55,919
like that doesn't happen obviously i

934
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:57,279
think we all know that

935
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:01,360
but like the idea that this could um

936
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,720
just thinking even like physically what

937
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,240
that would mean maybe the i don't know

938
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:06,399
the skeleton is fluorescing for some

939
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:06,960
reason

940
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,559
or the skin has become see-through

941
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:12,080
and he also well and he also said that

942
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,760
he looked up through his ceiling he

943
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,880
could see through the ceiling and see

944
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:16,799
the sky above him

945
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:19,279
right so it's a super interesting like

946
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,720
just a very strange

947
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:22,480
part of a story to add if you're gonna

948
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,760
make it up you know

949
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,440
right very strange so i don't really

950
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:27,279
understand like what the whole

951
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:30,399
um yeah i don't know it's weird i guess

952
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:31,679
my takeaway is if you're

953
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:34,480
ever in the military your first day grab

954
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:35,279
someone and say

955
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,399
remember me because you never know he's

956
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,000
gonna have to come to your aid in the

957
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,440
future and be like i do remember that

958
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:43,919
guy he was really weird he grabbed me

959
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:47,760
you know so yeah it's a pro tip there

960
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:50,640
if anything uh bob lazar story has

961
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,200
taught us

962
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:53,200
you need to have those people in your

963
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:57,120
life you know that you can go to

964
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,399
it's not gonna work out it's just not

965
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:59,600
gonna work out man no you're gonna get

966
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:00,480
in trouble

967
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:04,720
you

968
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:07,360
no memory no memory at all and like that

969
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,399
scares me because

970
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,480
you know i work in a nursing home and

971
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,919
like i

972
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:13,840
it's people with dementia and i can't

973
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:16,159
even uh imagine because we actually had

974
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:17,279
to sit through

975
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:20,640
a class at one point and

976
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,399
they went through the process of what

977
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:25,120
it's like to like forget things for some

978
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,640
people and like

979
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,880
uh they actually made us do this

980
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,399
exercise where we wrote down

981
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:32,080
you know some memories that we were fond

982
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:33,679
of and then they just came by and

983
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,720
they're like yank

984
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,480
you don't remember that anymore you

985
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:38,559
don't remember that anymore so yeah

986
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:42,799
that is it's a terrifying aspect of

987
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:45,679
uh being a human is just like one day

988
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:46,640
waking up and

989
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:49,760
you don't remember a damn thing

990
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,120
no thank you

991
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:56,240
so uh uh chris how about you grace us

992
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:57,279
with your story man

993
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:00,640
hey i got a great story oh man

994
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:04,320
all right so my story um

995
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,840
so my story is really interesting one

996
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:07,120
because or at least i think it's

997
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:07,919
interesting

998
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:10,240
we'll be the judge of that yeah you guys

999
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:11,200
will tell me whether or not it's

1000
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,480
interesting or not right this is the

1001
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,159
worst story i've ever heard

1002
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:17,040
um you guys can write mean comments in

1003
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:17,919
the chat

1004
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:21,119
um so anyways um

1005
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:24,399
so my story actually is one that's

1006
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:24,879
pretty

1007
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,359
was really popular back in the day and

1008
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,800
the reason i like to highlight it and

1009
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:30,320
it's similar to other stories similar to

1010
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,280
this

1011
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,839
like um so originally i was actually

1012
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:35,440
going to do the nuremberg mass sighting

1013
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,480
because that's another one of these

1014
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:38,079
sorts of cases that

1015
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:40,720
wasn't popular until suddenly it was

1016
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,280
because

1017
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:43,359
someone put it out there right like a

1018
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,200
big name put it out there

1019
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,359
so the story that i'm talking about is

1020
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:49,280
what's known as the great kansas town

1021
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:50,720
napping

1022
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:53,760
um so okay here is the quote

1023
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:56,960
here that was part of a um it kind of

1024
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:57,680
kind of got

1025
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,880
all over the place back in like the late

1026
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,160
1800s like really

1027
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:04,400
like 1890s actually so this was printed

1028
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:05,359
initially

1029
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,880
april 23 1897. so and then yeah there's

1030
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:10,160
the sweet photo here

1031
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,079
[Laughter]

1032
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,079
kind of guilty yeah we're telling the

1033
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:16,079
story amelia here it is a hoax

1034
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:19,760
right a famous hoax in ufology okay so

1035
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,160
uh this is from alexander hamilton the

1036
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:24,079
guy's actual name not like the president

1037
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,359
or not the president but

1038
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,520
the uh secretary of the treasury

1039
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:29,520
treasury whatever the hell he was yeah

1040
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,190
chemical engineering though it's not in

1041
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,000
american history all right so quote

1042
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,880
um last monday night about 10 30 we were

1043
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,960
awakened by a noise among the cattle

1044
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:45,119
i arose thinking that perhaps my bulldog

1045
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,560
was performing pranks

1046
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:48,320
but upon going to the door saw to my

1047
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,839
utter astonishment that an

1048
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:51,599
airship was slowly descending upon my

1049
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,839
cow lot about 40 rods

1050
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,839
which evidently is 600 feet from the

1051
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,960
house

1052
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,280
calling my tenant did heslip which

1053
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:01,359
awesome 1800's named did

1054
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:04,240
and my son wall again amazing name his

1055
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:05,680
son's name is wall

1056
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,320
yeah his sister's name is chair we

1057
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:10,880
seized some axes and ran to the coral

1058
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,960
meanwhile the ship had been gently

1059
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,720
descending until it was not more than 30

1060
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,000
feet above the ground

1061
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:18,000
and we came within 50 yards of it it

1062
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:19,680
consisted of a great cigar shaped

1063
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,640
portion

1064
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:22,960
possibly 300 feet long with a carriage

1065
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,760
underneath

1066
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,440
the carriage was made of glass or some

1067
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,200
other transparent substance

1068
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:29,119
alternating with a narrow strip of some

1069
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:30,240
material

1070
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,839
it was brightly lighted within and

1071
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,280
everything was plainly visible

1072
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:35,119
it was occupied by six of the strangest

1073
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,640
beings i ever saw

1074
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,079
they were jabbering together but we

1075
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,320
could not understand a word they said

1076
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:42,400
every part of the vessel which was not

1077
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,800
transparent was of a dark reddish color

1078
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,800
we stood mute with wonder and fright

1079
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:48,079
then some noise attracted their

1080
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:49,359
attention and they turned the light

1081
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,720
directly upon us

1082
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,560
immediately on catching sight of us they

1083
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,400
turned on some unknown power

1084
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,400
and a great turbine wheel about 30 feet

1085
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:58,560
in diameter which was revolving slowly

1086
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,680
below the craft

1087
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,440
began to buzz and the vessel rose

1088
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,880
lightly as a bird

1089
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,960
when about 300 feet above us it seemed

1090
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,720
to pause and dauber directly

1091
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,480
above a two-year-old heifer which was

1092
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:09,760
bawling and jumping

1093
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,079
apparently fasting the fence going to

1094
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,079
her we found some material fastened in a

1095
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,760
slip knot around her neck

1096
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,040
and going up to the vessel from the

1097
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,200
heifer tangled in the wire fence

1098
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:21,280
we tried to get it off but could not so

1099
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,960
we cut the wire loose to see the ship

1100
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,000
hath their heifer

1101
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:26,800
and all rise slowly disappearing in the

1102
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,160
northwest

1103
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:30,079
we went home but i was so frightened i

1104
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,200
could not sleep

1105
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,200
rising early tuesday i started out on my

1106
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,119
horse hoping to find some trace of my

1107
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,280
cow this i failed to do but coming back

1108
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,280
in the evening found that link thomas

1109
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,599
about three or four miles west of leroy

1110
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,520
had found the hide legs and head in his

1111
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,960
field that day

1112
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:46,800
he thinking that someone butchered a

1113
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,800
stolen beast had brought the hive to

1114
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,400
town for identification

1115
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,400
but was greatly mystified in not being

1116
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:53,920
able to find any tracks in the soft

1117
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,760
ground

1118
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:57,920
after identifying the hide in my brain i

1119
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:59,839
went home but every time i would drop to

1120
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,280
sleep i would see the cursed

1121
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,359
thing with its big lights and hideous

1122
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:05,200
people i don't know whether they are

1123
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,640
devils or angels or what

1124
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,640
but we all saw them and my whole family

1125
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,320
saw the ship and i don't want any more

1126
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,079
to do with them

1127
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:14,400
that was then actually uh put into the

1128
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:15,359
newspapers with an

1129
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,960
affidavit that was sworn um by around 12

1130
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,079
different people

1131
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:22,160
who were like so this is the rate the

1132
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,440
list of these people ready

1133
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:26,160
evie wharton state oil inspector emmy

1134
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:26,560
hunt

1135
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:30,839
sheriff hh winter banker ek kellenberger

1136
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,079
md

1137
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:34,400
uh a pharmacist an attorney justice of

1138
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,920
the peace two druggists

1139
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,000
the register of deeds the postmaster and

1140
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:39,839
the deputy sheriff

1141
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:43,200
now so this story came out it was a huge

1142
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:44,560
deal right it was part of what's known

1143
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:45,680
as the um

1144
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,359
part of what's known as the airship flap

1145
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,160
which happened in the like 1850s to like

1146
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,320
the 1920s essentially

1147
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:55,200
in the united states especially and i

1148
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:56,320
love this story for a bunch of different

1149
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,960
reasons

1150
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,640
one is the fact that this guy could

1151
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,960
imagine an airship that would like float

1152
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:02,160
and have this big glass case and

1153
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,920
everything else but he couldn't think of

1154
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,680
a way to get a cow up into it without

1155
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,160
just like a rope

1156
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:10,160
he lacked that imagination to be like oh

1157
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:11,440
then they used a rope and they got the

1158
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,560
cow and they drug it

1159
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,160
you know they had it floating in the air

1160
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:16,000
with us like he couldn't think of that

1161
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:17,040
at all

1162
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,320
but the other reason why this is so

1163
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:20,560
fascinating is so it hit it really hit

1164
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:20,880
the

1165
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:29,440
of died down it was forgotten a little

1166
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:29,920
bit

1167
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:32,400
until it was brought back up by uh jack

1168
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:33,920
belay actually

1169
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,400
um who wrote about it and then it was

1170
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,000
also part of a couple of

1171
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,640
after he wrote about in like the 60s it

1172
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:43,200
became a huge huge ufo story again

1173
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:46,400
and so people started to um what's the

1174
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:47,040
word

1175
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,839
it basically was almost like the for cow

1176
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,160
relation what roswell became

1177
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,480
right nowhere near as big as roswell but

1178
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:56,800
it was like a foundational case in ufo

1179
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,240
history and war right until

1180
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:03,119
they started looking into it here is the

1181
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:03,680
quote

1182
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:06,560
from the person who initially published

1183
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:07,520
the article

1184
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,800
so initially it was published in the

1185
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:11,040
gate center farmers advocate

1186
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:14,160
and so this is from ed f hudson who was

1187
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:14,800
the editor

1188
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,079
of that story so quote i had just bought

1189
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,079
and installed a little gasoline engine

1190
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,680
the first i believe to come to gate

1191
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,599
center using it to run my machinery

1192
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,200
replacing the hand power

1193
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:27,040
on the old country campbell press and

1194
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,720
kicking the job presence

1195
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,720
i invited many of my friends in the back

1196
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,560
shop to see the engine work

1197
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,240
hamilton the original person alexander

1198
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,000
hamilton was one of them

1199
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:39,200
he exclaimed now they can fly and there

1200
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:40,720
the airship story

1201
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,589
this guy hamilton was part of a little

1202
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:49,200
known midwestern tradition

1203
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,240
called a liars club these groups existed

1204
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:54,319
in the united states in the 1850s all

1205
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:55,920
the way to like the 1950s

1206
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:58,000
and actually they still do exist today

1207
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,760
um there's a famous one in wisconsin

1208
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:02,000
still that's that's operational

1209
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,119
i don't know if you've heard of another

1210
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:05,440
one that's pretty uh chicago right

1211
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:09,200
well facebook we call it

1212
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:11,040
there's there's also okay there's like a

1213
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,720
bar in chicago called flyers club i

1214
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:14,319
guess

1215
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,920
okay yeah all right now i look like a

1216
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:19,680
butthole

1217
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,520
was like a fool um so these liars clubs

1218
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,800
though what they would do it would be a

1219
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:26,240
bunch of rich guys that would get

1220
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,280
together

1221
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,960
and they would see how far they could

1222
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,480
get a tall tale to travel through their

1223
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,079
town

1224
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:34,240
and this is one of those tall tales

1225
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:35,520
right that's that seemed to travel

1226
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,319
around

1227
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,359
and if that wasn't enough of a um if

1228
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:41,040
that wasn't enough of a

1229
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,880
kind of proof that this was a falsified

1230
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:44,079
hoax story

1231
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,839
um one of alexander hamilton's relations

1232
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:50,240
from back in the day like um

1233
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:51,760
i think it was like his his secretary or

1234
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:52,560
something that worked for him or

1235
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,440
whatever

1236
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,760
she remembered her mom talking all about

1237
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:57,359
how they used to make up these crazy

1238
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,240
stories

1239
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,760
on how one of them even ended up in the

1240
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:01,440
french newspapers

1241
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,040
right about a cow that had been cow

1242
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:05,760
napped out of this field in kansas

1243
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:09,280
um or out of uh you know uh what what's

1244
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:09,520
it

1245
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,319
story

1246
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:16,480
and it's one two that shows it that

1247
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,440
story just fell off the ufo folklore

1248
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:21,359
you know right after it was proven that

1249
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,720
this was like a hoax

1250
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,640
it fell off but if you still read up

1251
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:26,960
about it like on ufo blogs and things

1252
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,760
um people are still trying to like prove

1253
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,359
that it's true

1254
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,400
yeah which is crazy yeah like isn't that

1255
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,640
the case with every ufo

1256
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,640
it is but it's like it's such an

1257
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:40,720
interesting um

1258
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:43,520
it's such an interesting thing that you

1259
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,640
know

1260
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:45,839
it's such an interesting thing to me

1261
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:47,920
that this these people then come out and

1262
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,119
they're like yeah we made it up and even

1263
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:51,440
hamilton evidently like at the time

1264
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,960
was a really well known he'd make up

1265
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:54,960
these tall tales constantly

1266
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,119
right um but it was just because of his

1267
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,920
fancy title and his advocate

1268
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,760
affidavit that was sworn to you by

1269
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:03,440
everyone else if after that for the

1270
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,319
affidavit

1271
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,560
yeah um it was only from this thing that

1272
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:08,240
people were like oh man this guy's gonna

1273
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:09,520
be telling the truth but

1274
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,349
yeah just wanted to say uh william

1275
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,520
poland has a great point here uh

1276
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:19,200
bringing up the aurora texas crash

1277
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,560
because that seemed to be

1278
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,240
a case that was really strong for a

1279
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,000
number of years until

1280
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:26,640
uh i think it was what like the the new

1281
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:27,440
york uh

1282
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:28,880
maybe like time magazine or something

1283
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,119
like that interviewed some of the

1284
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,040
like family members and some of the

1285
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:34,880
original witnesses and said no it was

1286
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:35,680
complete

1287
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:38,400
bunk you know it was uh a situation in

1288
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:39,839
which you know the town wasn't doing

1289
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:40,560
good so

1290
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:43,599
we're going to you know kind of drum up

1291
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,640
some tourism here by saying that a you a

1292
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,280
fake ufo crashed on judge proctor's

1293
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,119
property and all that stuff it

1294
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:53,280
same kind of thing and uh it kind of

1295
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:54,720
goes to show like

1296
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:58,400
considering the 1896 and 1897 it's kind

1297
00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:59,280
of like the first

1298
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,640
flap there's a lot of similar

1299
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,520
things that have gone forward in the

1300
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,000
flaps of the modern age in which people

1301
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:10,800
hoax things it's great it's fantastic i

1302
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,599
think my

1303
00:44:16,510 --> 00:44:13,599
my favorite one of my favorite hoaxes is

1304
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:16,520
the woodworth saucer hoax of

1305
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,000
1947 in which these kids this was

1306
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,800
shortly after kenneth arnold had his

1307
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:23,839
sighting and

1308
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:27,200
the whole ufo boom really kicked off

1309
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,040
they ended up making like a fake ufo

1310
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,960
out of materials and they basically put

1311
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,160
it in this woman's

1312
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,520
on this woman's yard and she was like

1313
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:40,000
the town gossip so word spread fast

1314
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:43,280
the uh i believe the the military was

1315
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:44,319
there within like

1316
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:47,599
uh a few hours and like these kids got

1317
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:48,560
in trouble for

1318
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,280
for doing this so so great gotta gotta

1319
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:53,200
love it but uh yeah man

1320
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:55,839
with every with every flap there's bound

1321
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,720
to be hoaxing

1322
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:59,040
so you know that actually reminds me i

1323
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,400
don't know why i thought this would be

1324
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:02,240
so funny but it was really funny the

1325
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,440
time i swear

1326
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:05,119
when i was a kid me and my friend richie

1327
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,480
were walking home from the train station

1328
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:07,920
walking home from high school

1329
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,880
and someone was throwing away a mailbox

1330
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:12,240
and we thought it'd be really funny to

1331
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:13,760
take the mailbox and just put it on some

1332
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:15,200
random person's

1333
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:18,000
like stoop on their you know on their

1334
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,599
entryway i guess like in their house

1335
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,839
and so we did that and then they they

1336
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:23,119
found out it was us and so we were

1337
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,400
sitting on my stoop

1338
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,400
just like hanging out and being stupid

1339
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:27,920
and the person came and started yelling

1340
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:28,720
at us like

1341
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:31,760
you put this mailbox on my soup and we

1342
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:32,480
were just like

1343
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,960
no no why would we do that that's such a

1344
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:37,040
weird thing for you to excuse myself

1345
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:45,030
now like it's such a weird like i don't

1346
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:45,599
know it's

1347
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,119
it's such a odd like uh mischie god

1348
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,440
i remember when we recorded that uh

1349
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,680
archapalooza and i heard about many of

1350
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:55,520
the stories of you

1351
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,680
running around with bad groups of kids

1352
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,040
christopher my gosh

1353
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:05,430
good it's like not a great thing overall

1354
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:07,760
marie is like the the anchor that keeps

1355
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:08,560
me

1356
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,599
linked to reality at this point i think

1357
00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:14,160
for cogswell putting his d d alignment

1358
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:20,309
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it always it always cracks me up or

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00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,160
surprises me i think with

1398
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,480
in these stories what ones fall by the

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00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:55,839
wayside and what ones

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00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:58,640
refuse to because people just latch onto

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and it in the conspiracy world too it's

1403
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:03,359
not just stuff like this you can look at

1404
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,559
um polybius and lake city quiet pills

1405
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:08,160
and stuff like that that you can go down

1406
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:09,599
these roads and debunk them pretty

1407
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:10,720
easily

1408
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:13,119
but people just go nope i want to

1409
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:14,480
believe this

1410
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,920
does it hurt people to do that

1411
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:19,920
no but it also doesn't do any good and

1412
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:21,839
it sure doesn't give any credence to

1413
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:23,200
what we're trying to do

1414
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:26,319
yeah yeah yeah i i um i remember i was

1415
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:26,880
at a

1416
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,319
conference where um aaron gotes spoke

1417
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,000
and he gave this fascinating

1418
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:34,640
presentation about the repackaging

1419
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:37,760
of ufology from decade to decade and

1420
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:40,240
it was stunning to hear someone from

1421
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:41,040
like

1422
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:47,040
the recent sightings um he was able to

1423
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:47,760
trace

1424
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,480
the same story the same incident

1425
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:52,880
repackaged throughout every decade

1426
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,079
and it blew my mind so i mean that

1427
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,400
that has every ufo researcher

1428
00:49:00,549 --> 00:49:00,000
questioning every case they've ever

1429
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,559
looked at

1430
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,800
and be like what earlier version of this

1431
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:03,680
is this or

1432
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,880
how was it built upon i mean i talked to

1433
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,559
to micah hanks recently who's doing a

1434
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,400
lot of research of ufos and

1435
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:12,800
antiquity times and i thought i brought

1436
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,280
a really fascinating case to him

1437
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:17,280
of a floating ship in the sky that drops

1438
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,280
an anchor dude comes down

1439
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,440
he's floating in midair checking stuff

1440
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,960
out people in the church are outside

1441
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,000
looking at this

1442
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,559
um the bishop's like i'll let him do his

1443
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,000
thing let him do his thing if it's a

1444
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:30,160
heavenly figure let him do his thing

1445
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:34,160
um dude he's got an anchor he's got him

1446
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:37,280
no one evil has an anchor

1447
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:40,400
get this chris he uh the anchor as the

1448
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,200
guy climbs back

1449
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,280
up into the airship the anchor falls

1450
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:45,040
down you know to the land

1451
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,559
and this church claims that they have

1452
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,480
the anchor to this day so i thought this

1453
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,240
was really interesting but then as soon

1454
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,559
as micah heard it i saw him grinning

1455
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,720
and he told me four other stories of

1456
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:56,240
that

1457
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,760
anchor story

1458
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,599
yeah this idea of repackaging is

1459
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:03,359
fascinating i think it's

1460
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,599
you know something that um we have to be

1461
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,440
really careful of i think

1462
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:09,440
creepy pasta is not a new thing it turns

1463
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,880
out dude actually

1464
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,000
it's actually really interesting right

1465
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,920
the one of the most

1466
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:16,319
um well-documented versions of this is

1467
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:17,920
with witchcraft stories

1468
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,119
or the shift from a purely demonic

1469
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:22,960
worldview or

1470
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:26,079
so in okay in like religious like the uh

1471
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:27,200
not really theology but like in

1472
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,559
philosophy of say like

1473
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,640
science i guess but praise science when

1474
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:32,319
science was still demons and angels and

1475
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,599
stuff whatever

1476
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,920
there was this idea of um something

1477
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,520
could be supernatural but then also

1478
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,280
pretty natural

1479
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,760
and so oh brent's friend's dead brent

1480
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:43,599
has disappeared where'd you go brandon i

1481
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,960
don't know what happened to brent

1482
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,960
you offended him i really offended him

1483
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,240
he was like witches are

1484
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,000
are real they're freaking not having any

1485
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:52,400
part in a witch conversation

1486
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,000
right it's like if i brought up a ouija

1487
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,839
board you'd be like no

1488
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:57,599
um i'm just gonna i'm just gonna plow

1489
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,800
ahead because this is what i do when

1490
00:51:00,630 --> 00:51:00,079
people stop listening to me i just plow

1491
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:00,640
ahead

1492
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:03,920
yeah that's your thing as well um so

1493
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:07,200
this um so preener natural

1494
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:10,480
prader natural suggests that something

1495
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,280
is

1496
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:13,040
natural it fits within the bounds of

1497
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,480
natural law

1498
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:16,400
but it's just like happening in a way

1499
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,680
that we don't know about before

1500
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,760
right supernatural suggests that

1501
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,040
something goes against the laws of

1502
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,040
nature that humans have to work by

1503
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:25,040
so a lot of theologians argued that like

1504
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,319
the only thing that could be

1505
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:28,319
supernatural was god

1506
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:31,680
right because if it was anything else

1507
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:34,000
then god wouldn't be all powerful and

1508
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:35,680
therefore he wouldn't he or she wouldn't

1509
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,480
be god

1510
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:38,160
right so god has to be the only thing

1511
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:39,760
you need supernatural

1512
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:42,720
um on the other hand creator natural

1513
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,200
would be

1514
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:45,520
like flash right like the flash could do

1515
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:46,240
things

1516
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,440
that we would think would be like

1517
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,280
demonic or like or whatever

1518
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,440
but it's just that he's super fast right

1519
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:53,200
but his body is still like

1520
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,720
he can't go through walls he can't

1521
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:56,400
teleport he can't

1522
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:59,200
you know be telepathic whatever right so

1523
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,680
um

1524
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,440
the shift was that it started off where

1525
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:03,760
demons and witches were supernatural

1526
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,119
and then we started saying no no that's

1527
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:06,800
ridiculous they're just super strong and

1528
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:07,599
fast

1529
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:10,319
like really smart or whatever and so we

1530
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:11,920
went from being supernatural then being

1531
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,920
created natural to them them being

1532
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,520
unnatural right they didn't exist in the

1533
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:17,760
natural world but a lot of those ideas

1534
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,640
that we still gave

1535
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,960
like witches like witches sabbath being

1536
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:22,480
abducted from bed at night all those

1537
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:23,520
other things

1538
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,559
um continued into modern folklore and

1539
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:28,160
you can argue one way or the other like

1540
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:30,079
do you think that this is because

1541
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:31,680
people were being abducted by aliens

1542
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:33,040
instead and just called the witches and

1543
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,520
they're not

1544
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:36,160
aliens they're another larger thing or

1545
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,359
whatever

1546
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:39,920
but that story it's like one of the best

1547
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,400
cases we have that example of the change

1548
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:45,280
because so many um like say thomas

1549
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:46,640
aquinas and others

1550
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,920
really looked at it seriously and were

1551
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,920
like this is a problem because i guess

1552
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,359
they thought they would see a demon

1553
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,559
someday

1554
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:54,480
they were really concerned about knowing

1555
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,630
yeah it reminds me of um the stuff that

1556
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,319
like diana pasulka and

1557
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:05,040
leslie kane were looking at with um the

1558
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:06,880
pentagon program and the dia

1559
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,680
like they had a group in there a

1560
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:11,200
splinter group almost

1561
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,880
um looking at this from a religious

1562
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,880
angle and like that was the only way

1563
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,559
they were looking at it which

1564
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,559
ultimately affects all the research

1565
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:20,160
moving forward if you're putting this

1566
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,920
demonic angle on the whole thing

1567
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,599
so i thought that's fascinating that

1568
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:25,200
chris this is even going on with the

1569
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,240
freaking atip program it's crazy

1570
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:30,400
go don't get me started on a tip bro

1571
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,359
sorry

1572
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:33,359
give me starters well i i i think you

1573
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:34,960
know some of this really highlights

1574
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:35,680
something that

1575
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,640
i'm a firm believer in and that is

1576
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,480
knowing ufo history

1577
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:43,040
and not being afraid to revisit and

1578
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:44,720
learn ufo history i know

1579
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:47,359
people in in the ufo field can get a lot

1580
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,559
of [\h__\h] for

1581
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:50,880
you know if you ever decide to do a show

1582
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:51,599
on

1583
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:55,520
roswell why do we care about listening

1584
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:58,880
about this old case from 1947 but

1585
00:54:01,910 --> 00:54:01,280
i think there are a lot of people

1586
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,920
entering

1587
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,599
the ufo field now and even people who

1588
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:05,200
have been in the ufo field for a long

1589
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:05,839
time

1590
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:08,079
who you know haven't looked at some of

1591
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:09,200
these cases

1592
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:12,720
for for decades and you know it helps

1593
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:15,280
to bring these things back up and remind

1594
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,079
people

1595
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:19,119
of the history of these cases because i

1596
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,839
mean

1597
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,359
there are just like some of the cases

1598
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:22,720
we've mentioned there are so many cases

1599
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:23,599
that come up

1600
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:26,240
that have been thoroughly debunked and

1601
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:27,520
you know the people involved in them

1602
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:27,839
have

1603
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,359
admitted perpetrating these things

1604
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:33,359
yet there are so many people who come to

1605
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,480
us now and say

1606
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,319
oh what about this case i think this is

1607
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:38,160
a compelling case

1608
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:40,160
you know so there's a there's this need

1609
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,520
i think for

1610
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,680
some proper education and revisiting

1611
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:45,200
historical cases

1612
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:48,240
to help people be be better informed

1613
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,520
with a lot of these things because i

1614
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,280
mean guys give me a break

1615
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:53,119
we're still seeing stuff about alien

1616
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,480
autopsy i can't

1617
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:57,359
believe that made a resurgence yeah so i

1618
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:58,720
mean this is a big problem

1619
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,799
so i got a lot of love for history and

1620
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:02,559
revisiting historical cases

1621
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,079
frequently yeah i i agree and i think

1622
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:08,960
like one of the uh cases that has been a

1623
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,040
great example of that lately is the um

1624
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:13,359
the aztec crash because it's come back

1625
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:14,480
into

1626
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,440
the uh kind of the forefront uh in a

1627
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:18,880
certain way and

1628
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:21,280
uh it was a case that was dismissed i

1629
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:22,240
mean

1630
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:26,079
um frank scully you know

1631
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,799
god love him but uh nobody was buying

1632
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,480
his stuff back in the day but you know

1633
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:32,000
you you've got these two researchers

1634
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,119
that go back in

1635
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,599
and you know look at this case and say

1636
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,520
well maybe there is something there so

1637
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,319
yeah i agree like i think one of the

1638
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:42,400
joys about having a

1639
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:45,520
ufo podcast and going back and looking

1640
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,720
at these cases like diving into the

1641
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:51,280
old issues of like flying saucer reviews

1642
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:51,760
seeing

1643
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:55,040
how these stories evolved is is so in

1644
00:56:02,309 --> 00:55:58,720
in ieo eye opening in many ways and

1645
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:02,319
um with with my story that's

1646
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:05,599
uh it's kind of that way for me so i'll

1647
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:06,960
kick into my story now

1648
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,000
uh mine comes from finland

1649
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,559
and uh right up front i'm just gonna

1650
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,000
tell you i'm gonna butcher

1651
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:16,319
these pronunciations just because i do

1652
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,440
not speak finnish

1653
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,440
according to ancestry for about six

1654
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,760
months i was five percent finished but i

1655
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,680
do not believe it for one second i am

1656
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:25,200
not buying it

1657
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:29,599
but uh in the late 60s and early 70s in

1658
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:30,559
finland

1659
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:33,200
there were a lot of there was a civilian

1660
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,799
ufo groups that were looking

1661
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:37,440
into ufo activity at that time and there

1662
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:38,559
was kind of

1663
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,319
an escalation in cases and

1664
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,480
this is probably one of the most

1665
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,319
well-known cases but

1666
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:49,040
it was still kind of uh a little more

1667
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,319
obscure to me

1668
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:52,880
at the time but uh this case involves

1669
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:53,599
two men

1670
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:57,280
arno heinonen and escovillo

1671
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:00,319
who were cross-country skiing in the

1672
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,440
village of imjarvi

1673
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:06,079
is how you it looks like it's pronounced

1674
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:07,839
not pronounced but spelled

1675
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:11,280
village yeah it's um it's a very small

1676
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:12,000
village

1677
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,040
um it's uh located near the town

1678
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:18,160
named heinela uh again

1679
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:21,040
my pronunciations are terrible so this

1680
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:22,160
story went through

1681
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:24,799
a few phases in its retelling it's uh it

1682
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,079
first appeared in the pages

1683
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:28,559
of flying saucer review in their may

1684
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:29,680
june issue of

1685
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:34,160
1970 and uh it was approximately 4 45

1686
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:34,960
p.m

1687
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:38,480
on january 7th 1970 and the skies were

1688
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:39,040
clear

1689
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:40,559
the the temperature was beginning to

1690
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:43,119
drop as the stars began to come out for

1691
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,160
the night

1692
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:46,640
and despite the now frigid temperatures

1693
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:48,559
it had really been a beautiful day for

1694
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:49,680
skiing and

1695
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:52,480
heinenen who was 36 years old he worked

1696
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:53,680
in forestry

1697
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:56,799
and vilho who was 38 he was a farmer by

1698
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:57,520
trade

1699
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:00,480
the pair were avid cross-country skiers

1700
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:01,760
for years

1701
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:04,640
and they had just crested this hill when

1702
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:05,920
arno

1703
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:09,599
first heard the strange buzzing sound

1704
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:11,839
but it was esko that actually was the

1705
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,160
first person to sight this thing

1706
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:17,280
and uh in the original reports it was

1707
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:18,319
described as a

1708
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:21,280
thin narrow point of light and this

1709
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:22,880
light was what the men

1710
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,599
called the phenomenon at the time and it

1711
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:27,680
exploded into a cloud

1712
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,359
that was quote brighter than the moon

1713
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:33,520
it descended below treetop level and it

1714
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:35,040
came

1715
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,480
light

1716
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:41,040
that fell to the snow and its outer

1717
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:43,119
edges were black and it began to emit

1718
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:43,760
this

1719
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:47,359
red these red green and violet sparks on

1720
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:48,880
the snow

1721
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:51,200
the the ring measured approximately 50

1722
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:52,799
centimeters or about a foot and a half

1723
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:53,760
in diameter

1724
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:57,280
and from this ring a small disc

1725
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:00,960
would come from it and it would lift up

1726
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:04,559
back up into this uh this uh

1727
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,559
cloud that was uh right above it and

1728
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:10,319
you know it was really small it was only

1729
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:11,599
20 centimeters

1730
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:14,480
and then this cloud lifted up and

1731
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:15,359
disappeared

1732
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:18,160
rapidly and what makes this case what it

1733
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:18,799
is

1734
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:24,960
were having after it so the

1735
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:27,200
these negative health effects uh took

1736
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:28,799
place almost immediately

1737
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,319
uh arno's right side which

1738
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:34,799
had been facing this uh weird-looking

1739
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,040
cloud it felt like really hot

1740
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:39,440
it became numb and it was actually

1741
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:40,319
difficult for

1742
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:44,079
for him to breathe for a time and his

1743
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:47,599
like went in a certain point too

1744
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:50,000
uh he struggled to get back to hanel

1745
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:51,760
himself and uh

1746
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:54,640
the doctor only prescribed him with some

1747
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:55,760
sleeping pills

1748
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,680
uh he couldn't find anything wrong with

1749
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:00,240
him at the time and uh

1750
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:03,280
he would make multiple trips uh over

1751
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:06,079
like the next two weeks to the doctor uh

1752
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:08,079
similarly uh esko

1753
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:12,240
would have um his face got very swollen

1754
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:13,119
and red

1755
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:15,520
he described feeling light in the legs

1756
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,079
which was throwing off his balance

1757
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:20,240
and the doctor too prescribed him

1758
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,839
sleeping pills because he couldn't

1759
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:23,760
find anything wrong with him which is

1760
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:25,200
wild you know you got these guys with

1761
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,480
these wild symptoms

1762
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:28,079
and they can't find anything wrong with

1763
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,079
you

1764
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:32,480
yeah just crack doctor man just crack

1765
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:34,319
doctoring here

1766
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:37,599
um but uh through multiple trips esko

1767
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:39,760
complained of eye pain and headaches for

1768
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:42,240
which he was prescribed eye drops both

1769
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,119
men were

1770
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:45,359
prescribed blood circulation medication

1771
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:46,640
at one point

1772
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:50,240
and still the doctors could find nothing

1773
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,200
wrong with him

1774
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:53,359
but the story continues to evolve a

1775
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,240
little bit

1776
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,480
and in the next issue of flying saucer

1777
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:58,480
review um

1778
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:02,000
the story um

1779
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,640
a little more you know some more details

1780
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:06,160
start coming out so

1781
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:09,200
the sound that arno heard initially he

1782
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:10,640
said it sounded like it was really

1783
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:12,319
further away and then he heard it coming

1784
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,440
closer

1785
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:16,079
and they described how when they were

1786
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:17,520
watching this they were kind of

1787
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:19,040
paralyzed to the spot they weren't

1788
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,559
afraid of what they were seeing but they

1789
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:22,319
couldn't really move

1790
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:25,760
so this explosive cloud would gain

1791
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:28,400
structure as a classic saucer with three

1792
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:29,680
half balls

1793
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:32,319
of light on the bottom of it and in the

1794
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,680
center of it was

1795
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:35,520
a tube of light that was a little bit

1796
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:36,880
larger

1797
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:39,359
and from this strange self-luminous ring

1798
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:40,640
of light

1799
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:43,680
that it it would emit this this ring

1800
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:46,720
and with these black edges on it but

1801
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:48,079
like the saucer itself

1802
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:51,839
um it's kind of in a way like a george

1803
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,640
adamski

1804
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:54,960
kind of description but like its

1805
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:56,960
features are kind of smoother going up

1806
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:57,680
and everything

1807
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:00,880
they're rounded so

1808
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:03,920
arno spoke of having strange dreams in

1809
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:04,400
which

1810
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:07,359
this object was descending toward him

1811
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,280
and his friend esco looked very

1812
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:11,280
different in these dreams he was older

1813
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:12,640
he was shorter

1814
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:15,760
and whatever this image was it scared

1815
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:18,799
this guy so much that he encouraged his

1816
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:21,280
friend not to visit him

1817
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:24,319
so uh this clearly you know is having

1818
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:26,000
this great effect on these guys their

1819
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:26,400
health

1820
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:29,440
still hadn't improved um esko's hands

1821
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:32,319
and face would still become red and he'd

1822
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:34,799
just continue to suffer from headaches

1823
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:37,839
arno described feeling like

1824
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:40,400
there was hot water sloshing around in

1825
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:41,599
his stomach

1826
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:44,240
which would cause him to vomit like a

1827
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:45,920
few times a day

1828
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:48,559
and both of their memories were kind of

1829
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:49,599
like

1830
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:53,280
failing them but um still

1831
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:55,760
doctors could not find anything wrong

1832
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:56,640
with these guys

1833
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:58,240
for whatever reason still crack

1834
01:03:03,910 --> 01:02:59,760
doctoring here great

1835
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:07,430
the uh there's reports from um

1836
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:09,920
falkenberg sweden concerning a craft

1837
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:11,280
that people had seen

1838
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:14,160
that were was this of a similar shape

1839
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:14,559
these

1840
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:17,200
balls on on the bottom of them of light

1841
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:17,599
and

1842
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:23,520
it was finally in september that the

1843
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:24,559
full story

1844
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:28,160
would emerge um and word of the men's

1845
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:28,880
story had

1846
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:31,520
started to get out and journalists came

1847
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:33,520
in knocking in fact there was one

1848
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:36,960
that showed up at these guys doors and

1849
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:38,799
basically said you tell us your full

1850
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:40,160
story you're not telling us the full

1851
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:41,119
story

1852
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:44,559
so these two guys they blame memory loss

1853
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:46,480
incurred during the incident for why

1854
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:47,599
they couldn't remember

1855
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:50,960
what was happening to them but uh

1856
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:55,119
in the aftermath of the sighting

1857
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:57,520
the these details would emerge the

1858
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:58,640
object

1859
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:00,559
had approached from the north these two

1860
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:03,039
men had stopped briefly for a rest

1861
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,119
in in the chill of this early evening

1862
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:07,280
air a strange buzzing noise

1863
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:09,359
that was the first thing and it drew

1864
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:11,760
closer and closer and

1865
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:14,480
arno yeah he was the first to notice it

1866
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:14,960
and then

1867
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:17,200
esko was the first to notice the actual

1868
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:18,799
object itself

1869
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:22,000
um it was a powerful light that hovered

1870
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:24,400
high above these skiers and it was

1871
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:25,440
shrouded in this

1872
01:04:29,349 --> 01:04:28,319
really strange cloud but from the bottom

1873
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:29,359
of it they could see

1874
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:32,480
these tiny these balls of light on it

1875
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:36,160
around the perimeter in this light tube

1876
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:37,680
it was kind of separated by three

1877
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:39,200
hemispheres

1878
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:42,559
but as it descended this mist

1879
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:45,680
was starting to dissipate a little bit

1880
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:47,520
and when it came down it was hovering

1881
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:50,000
just like 13 feet off the ground four

1882
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:51,599
meters or so

1883
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:54,240
and arnold claimed that it was so close

1884
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:55,760
he could have touched it with his ski

1885
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:56,960
pole

1886
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:59,359
the object emitted an intense beam of

1887
01:05:02,230 --> 01:05:00,160
light

1888
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:02,240
down at the ground which created a

1889
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:04,240
self-luminous circle with dark edges

1890
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:06,400
like we've like i've said before

1891
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:08,640
and the circle started to emit red and

1892
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:10,640
green violet sparks and arcs

1893
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:12,880
that would shoot as far as three meters

1894
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:15,200
or about 10 feet they talked about how

1895
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:17,359
it's they just about landed at their

1896
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:18,720
feet and

1897
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:21,200
a red gray mist descended upon the

1898
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:22,000
forest at the

1899
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,039
same time and from this luminous

1900
01:05:30,309 --> 01:05:27,520
circle the the small dislike object

1901
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:30,319
ascended back up toward the craft

1902
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:33,839
and arno at this point felt

1903
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:36,079
like somebody had seized him by the

1904
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:37,680
waist and pulled him back

1905
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:39,680
it was some unseen force he couldn't

1906
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:42,559
really make heads or tails of it

1907
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:44,720
but through the mist he and esco caught

1908
01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:47,200
sight of a short humanoid creature

1909
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:50,240
about 90 centimeters tall or about

1910
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:53,119
three feet its features were very thin

1911
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:54,000
its nose

1912
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:56,559
was a really odd shape it was hook

1913
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:57,359
shaped

1914
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:59,280
like think of like squidward if it was

1915
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:00,559
like angled

1916
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:05,119
instead of just like falling down but uh

1917
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:08,640
its scale was its skin was very pale but

1918
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:10,960
uh very little of it was exposed because

1919
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:11,760
the creature wore

1920
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:14,079
a covering that was green in cover and

1921
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:15,599
its feet were covered in the

1922
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:18,559
in a darker green fabric and uh what's

1923
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:20,160
interesting and fun about this creature

1924
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,039
is it um

1925
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:23,520
it wore a conical hat it kind of gave it

1926
01:06:26,789 --> 01:06:25,280
a rank and bass rudolph the red-nosed

1927
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:26,799
reindeer elf appearance

1928
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:29,599
which is great i i love this visual and

1929
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:31,039
i'll i'll share this

1930
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:34,160
with you guys uh right now let me let me

1931
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:36,000
get the uh

1932
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:39,680
appropriate links up here but um

1933
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,079
uh this is yeah this is this is great

1934
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,160
right here so

1935
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:46,400
rob what what year did you say this was

1936
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:49,200
uh 1970. so this first image is of

1937
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:51,599
arno and esko and they're they're

1938
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:53,359
basically at the site

1939
01:06:59,829 --> 01:06:56,559
where this happened they're you know

1940
01:07:01,990 --> 01:06:59,839
uh our nose pointing up to how how high

1941
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:02,000
this thing was at the time

1942
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:05,599
but the cool thing is in this issue they

1943
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:06,319
have

1944
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:09,839
uh this um incident like playing out so

1945
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:11,599
i'll bring this down so

1946
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:15,520
at first you have this ufo

1947
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:18,640
it comes down it drops this ring here

1948
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:21,920
and you know from it you can see that uh

1949
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:25,599
this disc fly starts flying back up

1950
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:31,829
the disc goes back up into the craft and

1951
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:34,319
there is the short tiny humanoid figure

1952
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:35,520
right there

1953
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:38,559
uh and and what's interesting is

1954
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:42,160
it's holding a box a black box which is

1955
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:45,839
a kind of a motif that is explored again

1956
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:46,559
and again

1957
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:49,920
through um many accounts and stuff like

1958
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:51,039
that i know like

1959
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:54,960
black boxes was uh something that uh

1960
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:56,880
their box like things were talked about

1961
01:08:02,470 --> 01:07:59,200
on skinwalker ranch and stuff like that

1962
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:02,480
but uh i'll show you guys a little

1963
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:05,680
closer up version of the face of this

1964
01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:06,000
thing

1965
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:09,039
because it's a it's a another fun

1966
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:12,640
drawing here but um

1967
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:14,799
yeah there you go there's it's hooked

1968
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:16,000
nose

1969
01:08:22,829 --> 01:08:19,440
it's very kind of elf like which is

1970
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:22,839
uh which is kind of funny you know um

1971
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:24,960
but

1972
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:27,199
it looks like the dude from doug is the

1973
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,960
bad guy with an elf hat on

1974
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,560
what's his name uh what's that guy's

1975
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:32,400
name with the green skin yeah

1976
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,440
um oh roger roger roger

1977
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:37,199
here we go you know what stories like

1978
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:39,440
this that story reminds me of the

1979
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:42,480
utsuru yeah this

1980
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:45,120
for people that don't know in the chat

1981
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:46,719
or you know watching or whatever

1982
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:50,080
it's a famous piece of japanese folklore

1983
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:53,920
where a woman like a ship washes a shore

1984
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:57,440
um and they get there and they see that

1985
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:58,960
there's a woman inside who can't speak

1986
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,000
japanese

1987
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:02,799
but she's holding like a shining box

1988
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:03,600
that

1989
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:06,640
touch you can't see whatever

1990
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:09,520
right um a really interesting story yeah

1991
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:11,279
like if it is a very similar motif and a

1992
01:09:16,229 --> 01:09:12,880
very interesting one

1993
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:16,239
yeah so um this creature

1994
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:19,359
turned slightly and aimed the box that

1995
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:20,799
it was holding it's holding this black

1996
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,799
box it's got kind of a lens as you can

1997
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:24,000
see there

1998
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:27,520
it's uh he aims it at arno and

1999
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:30,080
this pulsating light came out of it and

2000
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:31,359
just like

2001
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,400
shown directly at him um there

2002
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:36,480
the sparks were still flying as this

2003
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:38,560
thing is like

2004
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:41,199
shooting this guy with the with whatever

2005
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:43,359
weird-ass camera that he's got

2006
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:46,880
and um yeah the

2007
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:49,279
both of these guys ended up like in the

2008
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:50,400
beam of this

2009
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:54,480
in the beam of light itself and um

2010
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:56,800
the uh red mist started to get thicker

2011
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:57,840
at this point

2012
01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:00,880
and both of the guys

2013
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:02,719
you know lost sight of this uh creature

2014
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:03,920
but uh

2015
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:06,080
both men claimed to have a good view of

2016
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:08,159
it for approximately 15 seconds

2017
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:10,239
and you know that's just freaky you got

2018
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,640
some weird ass elf coming down here

2019
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,640
like he's you know you're about to sit

2020
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:16,640
on santa's lap he's taking pictures i'm

2021
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:17,920
not down with that

2022
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:20,960
you know at all but then

2023
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:24,080
this light beam rose up from the snow

2024
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:26,640
and it re-entered the ship and the mist

2025
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:28,080
completely parted

2026
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:29,840
like you know someone was throwing open

2027
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:32,080
some curtains and

2028
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:33,920
there was a flash in the sky and the

2029
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:35,840
craft was gone

2030
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:38,560
it just completely disappeared the

2031
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:40,640
physiological effects though would just

2032
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:41,840
remain for months

2033
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:43,679
it was hard for both men to work in the

2034
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:45,760
weeks following the encounter

2035
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:48,880
yeah heinen arno he vomited

2036
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:52,320
like regularly for months and uh

2037
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,120
esko's skin was just turning red all the

2038
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:57,120
time

2039
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:00,320
and in fact them these guys would lead

2040
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,960
a party including the journalists that

2041
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:04,719
told them to come forward you know and

2042
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:06,239
tell the true story

2043
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:09,679
um he would have them you know come

2044
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:10,320
forward

2045
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:14,159
and bring them to the spot and

2046
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:16,239
of the uh the guys that were there i

2047
01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:17,920
think the majority of them their skin

2048
01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:21,040
started to turn red and it was irritated

2049
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:24,840
so uh you know there is

2050
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:28,159
some skeptical views of this case i

2051
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:29,440
don't really think they hold

2052
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:34,000
water um maybe they were exposed to

2053
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,239
like i don't know in this case i'm not

2054
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,239
exactly sure what they would have been

2055
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:40,400
exposed to but it's one of the well it's

2056
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,840
one of those cases where

2057
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:43,440
that is a hell of a hoax if it makes the

2058
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:45,760
guy puke continuously for

2059
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:48,800
yeah i mean like whoa like what did what

2060
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:50,640
what was the oaks you gotta commit to

2061
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:52,560
that yeah seriously that's like that's

2062
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:54,480
no joke right i mean

2063
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:56,480
outside of some like intense sort of

2064
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:57,679
likings you know

2065
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:59,520
anxiety issue that's underlying or

2066
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:00,719
something

2067
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:04,080
um what makes

2068
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:06,719
i don't know how can i cover my bulimia

2069
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:09,280
i mean serious yeah

2070
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:12,719
it's all ufo yeah good way to bring some

2071
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,440
weight

2072
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:15,280
yeah just say you don't like i don't

2073
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:18,400
know it's such a weird uh

2074
01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:20,080
rob i was wondering if i could bring up

2075
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:21,760
you just did an episode about the falcon

2076
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:24,159
lake incident and dude this is like

2077
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:26,800
strikingly similar in terms of physic uh

2078
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:28,560
physiological effects i mean

2079
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,480
stan mickelek had like you know the

2080
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,640
radiation burns he was vomiting

2081
01:12:36,149 --> 01:12:34,560
i believe for months and the same thing

2082
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:36,159
where these doctors like didn't do

2083
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:37,199
anything for him

2084
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:39,920
they gave him like some pain meds and

2085
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:41,679
were like get out of here man

2086
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:44,400
um i find this case eerily similar to

2087
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,239
that one it's really interesting

2088
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:47,760
yeah there there are a lot of

2089
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:49,600
similarities to it and

2090
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:51,679
i'm not going to get into it on on this

2091
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:52,880
live stream i might

2092
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:55,010
do an additional episode um

2093
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:56,080
[Music]

2094
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,800
or something but these guys claim to

2095
01:13:02,229 --> 01:13:00,800
have further contact with like alien

2096
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:02,239
beings after this so

2097
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,719
the story kind of goes off the rails but

2098
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:06,560
the interesting thing is is that

2099
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:09,920
um there were additional sightings

2100
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:13,440
in the area at uh adderall you know

2101
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:17,199
near the the time of this incident um

2102
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:20,239
but um in a village uh 15

2103
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:22,000
kilometers or nine miles from the

2104
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:23,600
encounter a woman

2105
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:26,480
named elna satari witnessed a strange

2106
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:26,960
light

2107
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,840
on the day the two skiers uh had their

2108
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:30,960
encounter

2109
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:34,400
and uh in the village of paso some

2110
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:37,840
is like 10 kilometers away about 6 miles

2111
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:40,320
an unnamed man witnessed a strange light

2112
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,320
in the sky around 4 45

2113
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:44,480
that evening at the same time the

2114
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:46,480
encounter took place so

2115
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:48,000
you know these these folks are

2116
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:49,760
witnessing stuff not

2117
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:52,320
not too far away and uh later that

2118
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:52,800
evening

2119
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:56,080
a 16 year old boy named maddie who was

2120
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:56,400
from

2121
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:59,199
imjarvi uh witnessed a strange light not

2122
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:01,120
far from where the encounter took place

2123
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:02,000
itself

2124
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,679
he was on his way home from a friend's

2125
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:05,280
house when the forest just lit

2126
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:08,320
up all around him he witnessed a bright

2127
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:08,719
light

2128
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:11,360
above the trees moving about and it

2129
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:12,400
disappeared

2130
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:14,480
not long after he caught sight of it

2131
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:15,520
heading to the south

2132
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:18,880
so uh for this live stream that is

2133
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:22,640
the mjrv humanoid sightings

2134
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:25,840
it's um you can see a lot of parallels

2135
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,719
in cases where people have had um

2136
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:30,719
negative health effects after coming

2137
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:31,840
into contact with

2138
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,040
a craft of some kind like that uh

2139
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:38,000
i i think of the cash landrum incident

2140
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:39,280
because there's a lot of

2141
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:42,640
similarities there uh there's just the

2142
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:44,880
you know smattering um here and there of

2143
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:47,280
cases like that but

2144
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:50,640
i just want to say if uh the alien

2145
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:53,360
watching this we don't want your santa

2146
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:55,440
claus photos so please do not

2147
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:58,480
come down i don't i don't

2148
01:15:04,149 --> 01:15:01,920
i don't know i'll entertain it you know

2149
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:04,159
don't throw me in there no

2150
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:06,480
brent is looking for more he wants a

2151
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:07,760
negative help

2152
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:09,280
don't immediately put brent in that

2153
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:11,199
category of not wanting santa photos

2154
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:11,679
like

2155
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:13,679
you might want you might absolutely want

2156
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:14,719
them

2157
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:16,640
he might actually want the photos that's

2158
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:18,960
fine maybe you could play alien santa

2159
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:19,679
brent that

2160
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:22,800
maybe yeah maybe we were just talking to

2161
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:25,120
some pilots for an upcoming episode on

2162
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:26,080
ours and that's funny

2163
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:28,560
that was the the term they used to use

2164
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:30,400
that they no longer use is if you saw

2165
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:31,040
something

2166
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:34,320
you'd say we spotted santa claus and uh

2167
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:35,840
now that's kind of gotten by the wayside

2168
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:38,159
but yeah nice i got the height to be

2169
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:39,600
your elf brent so

2170
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:43,040
yeah right

2171
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:44,880
apparently apparently ryan fits in

2172
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:46,640
pockets i did i never knew this until

2173
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:48,400
today

2174
01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:51,840
but the pocket size yeah that's amazing

2175
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:52,239
so

2176
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:54,800
uh i'm gonna turn this to the uh

2177
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:56,000
listeners here the

2178
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:58,400
people tuning in uh if you have any

2179
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:59,360
questions uh

2180
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:01,679
throw throw them our way right now um

2181
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:02,880
we'll we'll answer them

2182
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:06,320
so um if uh

2183
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:08,080
and if any aliens want to drop off some

2184
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:09,920
pancakes i'm down with it

2185
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:12,080
we just want your alien pancakes we want

2186
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:13,840
your alien pancakes

2187
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:16,480
on people if you could add a little salt

2188
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:17,199
you know

2189
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:22,880
i don't i don't want valet writing about

2190
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,520
my space pancakes okay

2191
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:27,120
i like him he's a good dude but he's

2192
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:29,040
like a good guy hey rob i was

2193
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:31,520
i was curious what um the name of the

2194
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:34,000
panel i think is pretty intriguing

2195
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:36,719
um would you mind describing that for us

2196
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:38,080
the the blue ribbon

2197
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:40,239
yeah yeah the blue ribbon panel i had a

2198
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:41,679
couple people asking me what that meant

2199
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:42,320
yeah

2200
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:45,760
so um back in the 70s the national

2201
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:48,239
enquirer had a panel of ufo

2202
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:50,640
experts that they assembled and they

2203
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:52,960
would hand out a prize for someone who

2204
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:54,960
would come forth with proof of

2205
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:58,400
you know the ufo authentic ufo incident

2206
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:00,719
or uh you know contact with an alien and

2207
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:03,360
stuff like that uh famous winners

2208
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:06,800
of the blue ribbon prize include uh

2209
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:08,560
ronnie johnson of the delphos ring

2210
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:09,920
incident and

2211
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:13,040
uh travis walton he won uh

2212
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:15,520
five thousand dollars for his story and

2213
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:17,920
it's been used as a tool to

2214
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,280
debunk a very famous ufo sighting so

2215
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:23,280
i thought it would be appropriate if we

2216
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:25,520
called ourselves the blue ribbon panel

2217
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:28,560
love it i thought it was a pbr

2218
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:31,760
uh yeah i guess

2219
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,520
bust out the paps next time you'll be

2220
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:35,280
good to go

2221
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:38,320
so uh william william poland asks why

2222
01:17:44,149 --> 01:17:41,120
are charlatans hoaxers and frauds

2223
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:44,159
embraced by the ufo community you know

2224
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:46,159
honestly got a great answer for that

2225
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:48,239
yeah wait so honestly i'm so

2226
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:51,679
i don't know how i got part of this um

2227
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,480
but i got i got added in a in the thing

2228
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:56,400
about skinwalker ranch

2229
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:58,719
and so i'll tell you why because i'll

2230
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:59,840
give you let me you know you can read

2231
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:00,560
the thread whatever

2232
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:02,560
i'll tell you why the reason that they

2233
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,560
are embracing the ufo community

2234
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:06,719
is because a lot of the time what people

2235
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:07,760
in the uf community

2236
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:11,280
want is not proof they want belief

2237
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:13,679
they want to be told just believe

2238
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:15,199
everything i say

2239
01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:18,560
follow me share the videos listen to the

2240
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:19,440
stuff

2241
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:22,080
do what i tell you to do and people love

2242
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,199
that stuff

2243
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:25,440
that's true and it's like jason was

2244
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:26,880
saying earlier

2245
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:30,400
um we need to look at these things or

2246
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:31,840
they're doomed to repeat themselves

2247
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:33,920
and if you guys have been looking at the

2248
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,600
things that are going on now we see the

2249
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:37,600
same people that are known

2250
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:39,280
disinformation agents are now poking

2251
01:18:42,070 --> 01:18:40,880
their heads back up and being embraced

2252
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,080
by people again

2253
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:43,920
that we should have seen do or not be

2254
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:45,360
doing this 25

2255
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:48,400
30 years ago and the fact that that is

2256
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:49,199
being

2257
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:50,480
something that we're having to go

2258
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:51,760
through are going to be like why are you

2259
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:52,400
doing this

2260
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:55,920
and getting pushback blows my mind so

2261
01:18:58,950 --> 01:18:57,920
i just i think that was an incredibly

2262
01:19:01,830 --> 01:18:58,960
important point

2263
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:01,840
in a reason why we look at cases because

2264
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:03,280
no matter what it's someone's first time

2265
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:04,800
a lot of times when you're doing it

2266
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:07,920
and if not uh things like that get you

2267
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:08,400
know

2268
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:10,480
yeah we we doomed to repeat itself as

2269
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:12,560
you know the old saying yes

2270
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:16,320
yeah and chris is absolutely right there

2271
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,480
are always people i mean that's that's

2272
01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:20,400
really primarily what this field is it's

2273
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:22,159
based on belief you have to make

2274
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:24,480
determinations for yourself who you find

2275
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,320
credible and who you don't

2276
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,880
um and what information you're going or

2277
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:30,400
what what evidence

2278
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:32,239
or what what tidbits you're going to

2279
01:19:35,830 --> 01:19:33,920
consider evidence and add that to your

2280
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,840
pile as you're evaluating these cases on

2281
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:37,360
an individual basis

2282
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:40,000
but like chris said people are looking

2283
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:40,719
some people

2284
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:43,679
many people are looking for answers and

2285
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:45,280
you're going to find somebody

2286
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:47,760
who is spouting the answers that you

2287
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:49,600
want to hear and people will gravitate

2288
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:50,960
toward that camp

2289
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:53,040
and then cults spring up and that's

2290
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:54,400
really what you have around a lot of

2291
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:56,000
these people because people gravitate

2292
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:57,360
toward the person saying the thing they

2293
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,560
want to hear that supports their

2294
01:20:01,750 --> 01:20:00,239
pre-existing beliefs

2295
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:01,760
and they're going to follow that person

2296
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:04,159
no matter what everybody else and the

2297
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:04,880
evidence

2298
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:07,199
say about this person they're hearing

2299
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:08,639
what they want to hear

2300
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:10,800
now subtract the ufo out of that and put

2301
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:12,560
in politics

2302
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:16,000
anything any family life

2303
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:17,440
people gravitate toward what they want

2304
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:19,120
to hear what supports their beliefs

2305
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:20,880
in anything absolutely and that's why i

2306
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:22,719
think it's so important too that we like

2307
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:25,920
we have things like this or at least we

2308
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:28,000
have shows like what

2309
01:20:31,189 --> 01:20:29,440
you know not to to all of our own

2310
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:31,199
collective horns right

2311
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:33,840
but telling these stories and re

2312
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,440
investigating them and seeing like

2313
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:37,360
that's how any field of knowledge is

2314
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:38,800
built right

2315
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:41,199
when you start to study a science you're

2316
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:43,199
not just given like a bunsen burner and

2317
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:44,400
some chemicals and you're told like well

2318
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:45,679
get it all yourself

2319
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:47,760
right you learn what people did before

2320
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:49,199
you and you build off of that initial

2321
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:49,760
study

2322
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:52,560
you build off that initial storyline and

2323
01:20:56,629 --> 01:20:53,199
so

2324
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:56,639
by not allowing that to happen or by

2325
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:59,600
never having like a standard set of well

2326
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:00,880
this is probably what happened with

2327
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:03,280
these cases that came 50 years ago

2328
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:04,639
this is what we can learn from them this

2329
01:21:08,229 --> 01:21:06,880
is how we can you know philosophy is a

2330
01:21:10,070 --> 01:21:08,239
great example of this philosophy is

2331
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:10,080
always reimagining old texts

2332
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:11,760
you know the fact that people still

2333
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:13,199
write phds on like

2334
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:15,280
david hume you know what i mean emmanuel

2335
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:16,320
connor or these other

2336
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:17,920
philosophers who wrote hundreds of years

2337
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:20,080
ago seems crazy but it's because there's

2338
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:21,600
always reimagined there's always new

2339
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:23,199
interpretations

2340
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:25,040
something similar could happen in a

2341
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:26,800
field like this if we wanted it to be

2342
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:27,280
taken

2343
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:30,719
seriously um and again even if you know

2344
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:32,800
not everyone on this on this panel

2345
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:34,960
agrees at the underlying reality with

2346
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:36,639
the phenomena that we're describing

2347
01:21:40,629 --> 01:21:39,760
not everyone agrees even on um specific

2348
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:40,639
cases

2349
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:43,280
right like we tend to broadly agree i

2350
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:44,080
would say

2351
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:46,000
but generally like there's a big gap

2352
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:47,520
there or a big difference here

2353
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:51,280
on what we believe individually

2354
01:21:56,229 --> 01:21:53,040
but we're still able to at least look at

2355
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,239
this in a semi-intelligent way

2356
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:58,560
right and say like this makes sense this

2357
01:22:01,910 --> 01:21:59,600
doesn't make sense

2358
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:01,920
this seems logical this seems illogical

2359
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:03,360
um you can still pick apart

2360
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:06,159
arguments that way without needing proof

2361
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:06,639
right

2362
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:08,480
chris and that's why i'm so pissed that

2363
01:22:11,110 --> 01:22:10,480
the [\h__\h] mufon [\h__\h] fell through

2364
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:11,120
because

2365
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:13,760
we were set up to [\h__\h] do that man we

2366
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:14,880
were set up to

2367
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:17,679
[\h__\h] get it in the front get it in

2368
01:22:21,030 --> 01:22:19,199
the back here and [\h__\h]

2369
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:21,040
like really run these goddamn cases

2370
01:22:24,149 --> 01:22:23,040
through their paces and pick out the

2371
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:24,159
really good [\h__\h]

2372
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:27,280
yeah i i think that was probably the

2373
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:28,000
only

2374
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:31,120
where

2375
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:34,560
like i i think anybody has

2376
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:38,320
come that close to to doing that which

2377
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:40,320
again it just frustrates me endlessly

2378
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:41,840
but you know it's it's actually i think

2379
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:44,000
going to be one of the more

2380
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:46,320
so you guys all know my few my views on

2381
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:47,440
the stars academy

2382
01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:50,560
right obviously yeah um it's actually

2383
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:51,679
one of the things that i'm probably the

2384
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:52,080
most

2385
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:54,480
excited about with if they do end up

2386
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:55,520
doing this uap

2387
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:57,920
reporting app that they're talking about

2388
01:23:00,629 --> 01:22:59,120
if there was even just

2389
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:00,639
some kind of feature on there that was

2390
01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:02,960
essentially like you could upvote or

2391
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:05,920
downvote a case

2392
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:08,320
um at least maybe that would get people

2393
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:09,040
out of their

2394
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:12,159
like weird pigeon holes of you know what

2395
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:12,639
i mean

2396
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:14,159
like everyone on the same facebook group

2397
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:16,080
shared the same stories about angels

2398
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:17,280
yeah and they're all like oh they're

2399
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:19,440
aliens right like

2400
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:21,199
right everyone thinks that there's a lot

2401
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:23,040
of conflicting evidence out there for

2402
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,520
the end

2403
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:25,920
and i think that also speaks to the the

2404
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:28,639
field of investigators today where

2405
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:32,560
you know it's a lot of them are

2406
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:35,280
like buff on field investigators which

2407
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:35,840
only goes

2408
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:39,520
gets you so far and it a lot of it

2409
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:42,400
um comes down to the passion that you

2410
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:42,880
have to

2411
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:44,960
you know for this subject and what

2412
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:47,199
you're willing to do to investigate it

2413
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:50,239
um but uh yeah man

2414
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,480
i i hope i have you know high hopes for

2415
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:54,000
that app um

2416
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:57,040
but uh uh drewd in the 559

2417
01:24:02,229 --> 01:24:00,080
asks any encounters in the last year

2418
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:02,239
you think are promising also where are

2419
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:03,840
the girls don't worry if we do this

2420
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:04,560
again

2421
01:24:09,430 --> 01:24:06,800
there will be girls involved i i promise

2422
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:09,440
we i it was hastily assembled on my part

2423
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:11,199
and i apologize for that but uh

2424
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:12,880
any encounters in the last year that you

2425
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:16,639
see is promising

2426
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:18,800
there's none that really come to mind

2427
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:20,000
like straight away

2428
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:22,560
because like again it comes down to the

2429
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:23,520
fact that

2430
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:26,560
it it just seems like the

2431
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:29,440
like the modern the the the accounts of

2432
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,080
like

2433
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:32,320
that are happening within a year they

2434
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:33,199
don't get a lot of

2435
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:38,960
know maybe

2436
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:41,120
you'll find one or two on a blog or

2437
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:42,239
something like that but

2438
01:24:46,229 --> 01:24:45,360
um a lot of the time i you know i'm not

2439
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:46,239
really looking

2440
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:49,520
at the the newer cases i'm more looking

2441
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:50,880
at the older ones that's

2442
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:53,040
you know more of what i do but uh if any

2443
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:53,920
of you have

2444
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:56,239
anything in mind uh feel free to share

2445
01:24:58,149 --> 01:24:56,960
but like

2446
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:58,159
i think that's gonna be a tough one for

2447
01:25:01,510 --> 01:25:00,159
all of us i don't i mine's a little bit

2448
01:25:02,629 --> 01:25:01,520
out of that but chris actually helped me

2449
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:02,639
on this we had something that came

2450
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:04,960
across our desk that was interesting

2451
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:06,800
i had a gentleman who cleans out

2452
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:08,639
basements for a living and he found

2453
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:12,400
a stash of old uh negatives um and well

2454
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:14,639
they were negatives they were slides

2455
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:17,600
and the you know the tiny like 110 up to

2456
01:25:22,149 --> 01:25:19,280
you know normal size

2457
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:22,159
and they looked like they had some of

2458
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:22,480
them

2459
01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:24,800
really good ufo photos on him he's like

2460
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:26,000
he's like hold him up to the sky

2461
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:27,840
and he he called me he's a father of a

2462
01:25:31,270 --> 01:25:29,840
guy i went to college with he's like

2463
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:31,280
i don't know really what this is i

2464
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:32,639
usually just would just throw this away

2465
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:32,960
but

2466
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:36,480
by god it looks like ufos so he sends it

2467
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:37,199
to us and

2468
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:38,880
i got with chris and we had him looked

2469
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:40,960
at and i actually had them developed

2470
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:43,840
to actually just digital off that and it

2471
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:45,040
was someone that

2472
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:48,480
you could see in the 50s and 60s

2473
01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:51,760
learning to fake ufo photos with

2474
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:53,840
double exposures and manipulating

2475
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:55,600
negatives and stuff like that

2476
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:57,040
and that was really an interesting thing

2477
01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:59,280
that that i mean that i came across that

2478
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:01,679
i was like oh my god this is awesome

2479
01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:03,280
and then it was fake and that was still

2480
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:05,679
really awesome to me because you can see

2481
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:07,280
how people i know that's not the exact

2482
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:08,560
answer you're looking for but that was

2483
01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:09,840
the one that's within the

2484
01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:11,199
this last year that really got me

2485
01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:13,280
excited was you know

2486
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:16,480
seeing how the yesteryear people

2487
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:17,840
faked things because that's kind of been

2488
01:26:20,830 --> 01:26:19,440
a thing that we've talked about in this

2489
01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:20,840
episode

2490
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:25,520
yeah was this a roswell slides part d

2491
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:27,679
yeah it was like there was actually some

2492
01:26:30,149 --> 01:26:29,520
stuff from vegas and some stuff from

2493
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:30,159
like

2494
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:31,920
whoever had done it had taken photos

2495
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:33,360
from all over the nation

2496
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:35,360
at places where you could see like this

2497
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:36,960
is such and such because there's a sign

2498
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:38,800
in the background you know so like

2499
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:41,120
made sure that they got the the

2500
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:42,000
landmarks

2501
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:44,000
in there right so you could see them and

2502
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:45,520
then it was just billy meyer flying

2503
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:51,430
they were legit pretty cool like i'd say

2504
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:52,400
just generally like the

2505
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:56,239
the um all those old stuff scott style

2506
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:57,360
ufo

2507
01:27:02,149 --> 01:27:00,719
pics like that are so sweet that like

2508
01:27:03,750 --> 01:27:02,159
dude you got it brent you gotta grab

2509
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:03,760
them you gotta get those man

2510
01:27:09,669 --> 01:27:06,960
yeah i got him i've got him you got him

2511
01:27:11,810 --> 01:27:09,679
you got to do something with them man in

2512
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:11,820
mexico city who i'm sure

2513
01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:15,920
[Laughter]

2514
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:17,920
i hear he's into alien mummies but maybe

2515
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:26,709
human remains to sell illegally

2516
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:30,000
yeah so there's actually i think

2517
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:30,880
probably the best

2518
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:33,040
so actually it's really interesting the

2519
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:34,560
story went really under the radar this

2520
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:36,639
year but we actually found out why most

2521
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:38,400
of mufon's new cases don't go out there

2522
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:39,120
to the public

2523
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:42,480
anymore this year um and it seems like

2524
01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:44,639
it's because they

2525
01:27:47,669 --> 01:27:45,920
are holding them to try to get

2526
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:47,679
documentaries made yeah

2527
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:50,480
yeah so that's probably why there aren't

2528
01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:52,400
so many new cases out there

2529
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:55,360
but another reason or i know but i think

2530
01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:57,199
that's why for me at least the best new

2531
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:58,480
cases that i've heard of have come from

2532
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,000
independent researchers like

2533
01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:02,719
like nk cranda who we actually had an

2534
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:03,760
experiencer on

2535
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:06,960
our show um named jake who had like

2536
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:09,679
a just has an amazing story yeah and a

2537
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:10,159
really

2538
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:11,760
interesting outlook too you know where

2539
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:14,000
he's describing

2540
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:18,400
where he

2541
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:21,520
woke up and then

2542
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:23,280
is outside of his house he remembers

2543
01:28:26,229 --> 01:28:24,800
like a light taking him he remembers

2544
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:26,239
waking up in a field and

2545
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:29,280
in trees and whatever and then he wakes

2546
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:30,320
up as a kid

2547
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:32,719
locked outside of his home and he has to

2548
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,320
run back home and like get the door

2549
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:36,320
unlocked for him and everything else

2550
01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:38,800
um you know normally that's the kind of

2551
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:39,600
story that i would

2552
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:42,639
hear and be like yeah okay right but

2553
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:44,400
talking to this person and then kind of

2554
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:45,920
vetting his background a little bit

2555
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:49,360
and um i don't know man

2556
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:50,639
maybe it's just because i had that

2557
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:52,080
personal experience with this this

2558
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:54,080
person and talk to them one-on-one

2559
01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:56,560
but for me that was a story that really

2560
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:58,400
i think made a big impression on me

2561
01:29:01,910 --> 01:29:00,239
and actually another one too that made a

2562
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:01,920
big impression on me sorry to like take

2563
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:03,360
up all the air time here

2564
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:06,560
um on this question but i actually had a

2565
01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:07,440
really interesting

2566
01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:10,880
when i was still with

2567
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:16,639
a guy out of here in minnesota claimed

2568
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:17,600
that he was being

2569
01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:20,320
followed by craft and that his family

2570
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:21,679
was becoming

2571
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:25,040
really afraid and um like freaking out

2572
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:26,320
everything else

2573
01:29:29,350 --> 01:29:28,080
and so the investigators followed up and

2574
01:29:30,629 --> 01:29:29,360
they took these photos and they brought

2575
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:30,639
him to a meeting and we all heard from

2576
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:32,159
him and everything else

2577
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:33,760
and then it turned out that the guy was

2578
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:36,000
actually when they investigated

2579
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:39,120
um they found out that

2580
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:40,880
all of it he lived near a private

2581
01:29:44,709 --> 01:29:42,800
airport

2582
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:44,719
and so this was a person who was going

2583
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:46,239
through like a deep

2584
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:48,000
traumatic experience like

2585
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:49,520
psychologically

2586
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:52,400
um but was seeing these craft and

2587
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:53,920
everything else and he was seeing a real

2588
01:29:57,110 --> 01:29:55,120
thing he was seeing real things he was

2589
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:57,120
just misconstruing them

2590
01:30:02,629 --> 01:29:59,760
but being with or talking to the

2591
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:02,639
investigators and seeing how

2592
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:05,760
how how well i think they handled that

2593
01:30:09,669 --> 01:30:08,080
and how compassionate they were and it

2594
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:09,679
just again kind of like reinforced for

2595
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:11,600
me that these are real people

2596
01:30:15,669 --> 01:30:13,840
that you need to take at least if you

2597
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:15,679
can't take their story seriously or you

2598
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:17,040
don't believe their story

2599
01:30:20,709 --> 01:30:19,280
you can at least treat them with respect

2600
01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:20,719
you know and empathy

2601
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:22,880
um well that's the thing i think that nk

2602
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:24,719
crana does really well is she humanizes

2603
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:25,440
these things

2604
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:27,840
yeah absolutely and that's important

2605
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,400
yeah yeah one of the most uh humanizing

2606
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:32,639
i guess or revelatory experience i had

2607
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,719
was at an alien con event where chris

2608
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:36,159
was in the audience

2609
01:30:41,830 --> 01:30:39,360
and uh jason and i had experiencers from

2610
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:41,840
every spectrum bringing us stories of

2611
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:44,159
abductions and close enclosure encounter

2612
01:30:47,669 --> 01:30:44,960
claims

2613
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:47,679
and they all almost chris you you can

2614
01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:49,120
vouch for this almost every one of them

2615
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:50,480
said well i'm working with this

2616
01:30:53,110 --> 01:30:52,080
hypnotherapist i'm working with this

2617
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:53,120
hypnotherapist

2618
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:57,760
chris in the audience i could see

2619
01:31:01,189 --> 01:31:00,480
him getting like enraged like are you

2620
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:01,199
kidding me

2621
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:03,840
and it was it was a weird moment for me

2622
01:31:07,510 --> 01:31:04,800
up there being like

2623
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:07,520
okay i can't just tell this person like

2624
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:08,400
you know

2625
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:11,440
don't do that you're being damaged

2626
01:31:15,590 --> 01:31:13,760
but chris got up and he said like i'm

2627
01:31:16,310 --> 01:31:15,600
sorry i just have to say this flat out

2628
01:31:22,629 --> 01:31:16,320
like

2629
01:31:24,790 --> 01:31:22,639
was misconstruing something and was

2630
01:31:26,310 --> 01:31:24,800
having actual traumatic experiences

2631
01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:26,320
so were probably a lot of those

2632
01:31:30,709 --> 01:31:28,400
experiencers at this alien con event

2633
01:31:31,590 --> 01:31:30,719
but when you're you're in this bubble of

2634
01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:31,600
believers

2635
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:34,000
for three days straight and you have

2636
01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:36,239
actual hypnotherapists at this event

2637
01:31:39,669 --> 01:31:38,960
doing sessions with people um that's a

2638
01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:39,679
problem

2639
01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:43,120
with every day of

2640
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:46,159
talking to experiencers is you know

2641
01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:48,400
should they do something like that is it

2642
01:31:51,430 --> 01:31:49,199
ethical

2643
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:51,440
um and what i think is the safest thing

2644
01:31:55,030 --> 01:31:52,719
to do and what chris

2645
01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:55,040
said to these people is go to an actual

2646
01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:56,159
therapist

2647
01:32:00,070 --> 01:31:57,840
or work through your problems with

2648
01:32:00,390 --> 01:32:00,080
someone don't go to someone who's gonna

2649
01:32:03,590 --> 01:32:00,400
say

2650
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:03,600
you were abducted by aliens you saw um

2651
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:05,440
you know a tall white alien from the

2652
01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:07,199
pleiades i i don't know

2653
01:32:13,030 --> 01:32:10,480
so that was a big moment for me um and

2654
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:13,040
i have to thank chris for doing that

2655
01:32:15,910 --> 01:32:14,000
thank you man

2656
01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:15,920
well it's just you know what it is is

2657
01:32:21,350 --> 01:32:19,360
it's it feels like if you

2658
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:21,360
like kierkegaard there's a philosopher

2659
01:32:24,629 --> 01:32:22,880
of of a theo

2660
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:24,639
theologian philosopher or whatever soren

2661
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:26,080
kierkegaard who

2662
01:32:29,350 --> 01:32:27,760
was a christian philosopher but also an

2663
01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:29,360
existentialist or like

2664
01:32:32,470 --> 01:32:30,880
he wasn't really he's like considered

2665
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:32,480
one of the earlier existentialists but

2666
01:32:35,590 --> 01:32:34,000
never gave himself that name or anything

2667
01:32:37,910 --> 01:32:35,600
but whatever

2668
01:32:39,990 --> 01:32:37,920
um but he has this like methodology of

2669
01:32:42,550 --> 01:32:40,000
analyzing his religious beliefs

2670
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:42,560
by like dashing them against the hardest

2671
01:32:46,229 --> 01:32:44,239
rocks he can find

2672
01:32:47,910 --> 01:32:46,239
and seeing if he still believes after

2673
01:32:48,709 --> 01:32:47,920
all of that right and so he has this

2674
01:32:52,149 --> 01:32:48,719
book

2675
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:52,159
called um it's called fear and trembling

2676
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:53,520
i think it's a really long quote at the

2677
01:32:55,350 --> 01:32:54,239
beginning

2678
01:32:57,350 --> 01:32:55,360
but it's a really great piece of

2679
01:33:00,310 --> 01:32:57,360
philosophy and it talks about

2680
01:33:02,470 --> 01:33:00,320
the binding of isaac and how that what

2681
01:33:06,070 --> 01:33:02,480
must have that been like for

2682
01:33:07,669 --> 01:33:06,080
um for isaac and for abraham to be asked

2683
01:33:08,070 --> 01:33:07,679
by god to give up your only son and then

2684
01:33:11,189 --> 01:33:08,080
to do

2685
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:11,199
god come down and be like well just

2686
01:33:13,510 --> 01:33:11,840
kidding

2687
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:13,520
oh my god you were gonna do it that's

2688
01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:15,840
crazy what are you doing bro

2689
01:33:18,870 --> 01:33:17,440
i would never ask you to do that bro i'm

2690
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:18,880
the good guy of the story

2691
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:22,320
um but so but like sarcasm

2692
01:33:27,669 --> 01:33:25,440
right yeah slash ass slash s bro so

2693
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:27,679
you know in my mind the same thing is is

2694
01:33:32,229 --> 01:33:29,920
true here we have these beliefs if

2695
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:32,239
you should try all other options first

2696
01:33:36,229 --> 01:33:33,040
to be like

2697
01:33:38,470 --> 01:33:36,239
rule out all the possibilities

2698
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:38,480
if the possible is gone all you're left

2699
01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:39,520
with is

2700
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:42,960
saying to use the scientific method

2701
01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:47,440
maybe i am minds are being blown here

2702
01:33:53,910 --> 01:33:51,360
um uh one of the coolest things about

2703
01:33:54,790 --> 01:33:53,920
doing being on the internal review board

2704
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:54,800
and like

2705
01:33:57,910 --> 01:33:57,360
going through those cases was seeing how

2706
01:34:00,070 --> 01:33:57,920
they were

2707
01:34:01,189 --> 01:34:00,080
kind of investigated in real time and

2708
01:34:04,229 --> 01:34:01,199
one of the uh

2709
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:04,239
investigators that i really enjoyed his

2710
01:34:06,870 --> 01:34:04,800
work

2711
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:06,880
uh there's a guy named eric hartwig he's

2712
01:34:10,390 --> 01:34:08,320
a mufon

2713
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:10,400
state director out of massachusetts he

2714
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:11,840
did impeccable work he

2715
01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:14,880
uh he actually recorded phone calls with

2716
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:15,840
the witnesses which

2717
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:18,400
uh you know i listened to uh many times

2718
01:34:22,790 --> 01:34:19,440
and

2719
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:22,800
one case that was fascinating to me uh

2720
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:25,840
is this case in in of this graphic

2721
01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:29,040
artist who was going home and

2722
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:31,600
he ended up seeing this black triangle

2723
01:34:35,669 --> 01:34:33,840
but what was cool on it is it had like a

2724
01:34:37,110 --> 01:34:35,679
stabilizer on it and i'll share the

2725
01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:37,120
image with you guys

2726
01:34:41,109 --> 01:34:39,760
here in a second because like i i i'm

2727
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:41,119
like blown away by this because it's

2728
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:41,920
like

2729
01:34:45,510 --> 01:34:43,440
i've never heard of a black triangle

2730
01:34:47,109 --> 01:34:45,520
with like a stabilizer on it so

2731
01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:47,119
i remember when you saw that you like

2732
01:34:52,629 --> 01:34:49,360
sent the the picture all giddy

2733
01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:52,639
on facebook i love this picture but

2734
01:34:58,470 --> 01:34:55,679
uh yeah there it is it's uh

2735
01:35:00,950 --> 01:34:58,480
got a tail fin on it which is uh really

2736
01:35:03,669 --> 01:35:00,960
cool and like uh i listened to the

2737
01:35:05,669 --> 01:35:03,679
audio of the interview that uh eric

2738
01:35:08,470 --> 01:35:05,679
hartwig did with the guy and he's like

2739
01:35:09,750 --> 01:35:08,480
i saw it my wife saw it a friend of mine

2740
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:09,760
saw it and i'm sure

2741
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:11,920
many of people that were on the highway

2742
01:35:17,109 --> 01:35:13,520
saw it that night and

2743
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:17,119
uh i think one of the underlying

2744
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:20,239
problems with these kind of mass

2745
01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:20,880
sightings

2746
01:35:27,669 --> 01:35:25,760
in this general time period is that

2747
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:27,679
unless they report it you don't know who

2748
01:35:30,070 --> 01:35:29,760
witnessed it who else witnessed it which

2749
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:30,080
is

2750
01:35:33,510 --> 01:35:33,199
you know a definite problem but uh like

2751
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:33,520
this

2752
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:37,199
that we did uh i really

2753
01:35:40,950 --> 01:35:39,920
i really loved the hell out of but uh so

2754
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:40,960
um

2755
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:43,520
moving on to another question my lead

2756
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:44,800
researcher rory

2757
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:47,760
asks excluding anyone on the panel whose

2758
01:35:55,350 --> 01:35:49,760
work within the ufo field do you find

2759
01:35:55,360 --> 01:36:00,470
hmm no one

2760
01:36:05,990 --> 01:36:03,830
our silence says it all i guess i

2761
01:36:07,270 --> 01:36:06,000
i really like i really like william

2762
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:07,280
paulin

2763
01:36:11,270 --> 01:36:09,440
yeah he's commenting in here i love

2764
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:11,280
william paulin great guy

2765
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:12,800
because our buddy is watching i'll say i

2766
01:36:16,870 --> 01:36:14,400
love him too there we go

2767
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:16,880
yep see i i really like nk cranda i

2768
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:17,760
think she's doing really good

2769
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:19,520
i love you william i do think that she's

2770
01:36:23,590 --> 01:36:21,440
doing a great job and yeah william

2771
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:23,600
not only am i a fan i love that you

2772
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:25,280
quote yourself quoting yourself when you

2773
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:27,280
repost stuff

2774
01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:29,199
and i want to be able to do that someday

2775
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:30,639
so that i like

2776
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:32,880
yeah i'll throw a couple names out there

2777
01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:34,639
i think uh frank kimbler

2778
01:36:39,109 --> 01:36:37,280
is uh the geoscientist doing amazing

2779
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:39,119
work on the roswell incident

2780
01:36:43,109 --> 01:36:41,840
um still out there digging looking for

2781
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:43,119
[\h__\h] which is awesome

2782
01:36:47,990 --> 01:36:46,320
and finding stuff um and look if you're

2783
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:48,000
looking for scientific method that's all

2784
01:36:52,229 --> 01:36:49,199
this guy does

2785
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:52,239
so um and there's other move on field

2786
01:36:56,709 --> 01:36:53,679
investigators

2787
01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:56,719
that's the other thing individual mufon

2788
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:58,480
field investigators is one thing

2789
01:37:01,830 --> 01:37:01,040
mufon as an organization is another

2790
01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:01,840
there are some

2791
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:04,960
incredible field investigators in every

2792
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:05,600
state

2793
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:08,400
um like mr shane heard in arizona i just

2794
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:10,080
want to give a shout out to shane hurd

2795
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:11,920
who's one of our rogue planeteers over

2796
01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:12,800
at rogue planet

2797
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:14,800
yep uh earl grey who's the assistant

2798
01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:16,880
state director of arizona by the way yep

2799
01:37:20,870 --> 01:37:19,600
yep earl's a great guy those two are the

2800
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:20,880
only ones coming to mind right now for

2801
01:37:23,590 --> 01:37:21,920
me but um

2802
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:23,600
you know you look at the work of erica

2803
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:26,320
luke's um chase klutzke i mean these are

2804
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:28,320
people who've been doing this for years

2805
01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:31,280
and um kind of get you know pushed down

2806
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:31,760
by

2807
01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:35,040
um the more sensational cases

2808
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:37,679
or for whatever reason get pushed down

2809
01:37:39,669 --> 01:37:38,159
by

2810
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:39,679
people doing what they're doing you know

2811
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:41,440
it's it's unfortunate

2812
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:44,320
yeah absolutely absolutely so uh yeah

2813
01:37:47,109 --> 01:37:44,880
william

2814
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:47,119
uh he has another question why do some

2815
01:37:50,470 --> 01:37:48,480
ufo researchers

2816
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:50,480
darryl sims comes to mind never publish

2817
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:52,239
their investigative reports

2818
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:55,280
including parties involved

2819
01:38:00,830 --> 01:37:58,320
that is a fantastic question uh

2820
01:38:03,270 --> 01:38:00,840
ridicule i think a desire to not be

2821
01:38:05,030 --> 01:38:03,280
ridiculed um

2822
01:38:06,790 --> 01:38:05,040
the reason that we pick apart everything

2823
01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:06,800
i think you know a lot of times they

2824
01:38:09,910 --> 01:38:08,159
want to

2825
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:09,920
protect the people that they've been

2826
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:11,360
through but then again

2827
01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:12,960
that is also setting everyone back

2828
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:15,280
because if there is great research being

2829
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:16,000
done we have no

2830
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:18,239
way to compare to other sightings to

2831
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:19,440
find trends to

2832
01:38:24,310 --> 01:38:21,600
to look through things like that so it's

2833
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:24,320
a double-edged sword to me at least

2834
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:26,560
i think rainy day fund is another phrase

2835
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:28,159
that comes to mind too

2836
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:30,000
i think a lot of researchers hold these

2837
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:31,840
cases so close to the chest

2838
01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:33,360
and they're just waiting for when they

2839
01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:35,520
can you know put it out there and what

2840
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:36,159
they can

2841
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:40,239
kind of sad when you think about it

2842
01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:42,400
um you know if if they haven't come out

2843
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:43,600
with something in a long time

2844
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:47,199
oh i'll i'll bring this out right now um

2845
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:48,639
so i think that's another struggle in

2846
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:50,880
the field is uh transparency

2847
01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:54,000
and um and sharing information you know

2848
01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:54,560
whenever

2849
01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:56,719
i find something i always go to jason

2850
01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:58,960
and rob um first to be like have you

2851
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:00,480
heard about this before

2852
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:03,280
um should i steer clear or is this

2853
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:04,719
something i should pursue

2854
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:07,040
um so yeah i think you know things like

2855
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:08,639
this doing panels

2856
01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:10,960
and just like sharing information i

2857
01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:12,480
think is really important

2858
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:15,280
and i feel like a lot of the um i don't

2859
01:39:17,189 --> 01:39:15,760
i don't

2860
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:17,199
ever want to put down the old guard

2861
01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:18,560
because we've learned everything from

2862
01:39:22,149 --> 01:39:19,119
them

2863
01:39:26,149 --> 01:39:22,159
they're more

2864
01:39:29,189 --> 01:39:26,159
that those cases uh

2865
01:39:30,629 --> 01:39:29,199
in so um yeah yeah

2866
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:30,639
that's kind of my two cents on it i

2867
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:31,840
think the case is different for

2868
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:33,199
everybody right everybody's an

2869
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:34,880
individual they do different things for

2870
01:39:38,709 --> 01:39:36,080
different reasons

2871
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:38,719
and i know daryl daryl's a a sweetheart

2872
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:40,480
of a man i love the guy

2873
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:43,280
but uh yeah i mean william makes a good

2874
01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:43,920
point

2875
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:46,560
and his reasons for not publishing his

2876
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:48,320
work i don't know what they are so not

2877
01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:50,080
speaking about him specifically

2878
01:39:54,629 --> 01:39:52,960
but others i can see in this field you

2879
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:54,639
have a lot of

2880
01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:56,159
i guess i'll call them professional

2881
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:57,679
people and then some

2882
01:40:02,229 --> 01:40:00,639
not so professional people who you know

2883
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:02,239
have just picked up this topic

2884
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:04,000
and they're doing it and they do what

2885
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:06,159
they do the way they know how to do it

2886
01:40:09,109 --> 01:40:07,520
and they might not be in it for

2887
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:09,119
publicity but even if they are they

2888
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:10,880
might not think about

2889
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:13,440
publishing a paper or or doing things a

2890
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:14,480
certain way

2891
01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:16,480
they're just doing what they do with

2892
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:18,800
their investigations in their own style

2893
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:20,960
then going around to different

2894
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:22,000
conventions and things

2895
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:23,760
and showing off what they've discovered

2896
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:25,679
and or talking on tv shows and

2897
01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:27,600
you know the various routes so people do

2898
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:28,960
things different ways

2899
01:40:32,149 --> 01:40:30,320
i don't pretend to know the motives

2900
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:32,159
behind those but uh

2901
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:34,080
i think the obvious with some people is

2902
01:40:37,510 --> 01:40:36,239
that they know if they were to publish

2903
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:37,520
and try to get peer review

2904
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:39,600
they would get ripped to shreds yeah

2905
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:40,719
yeah absolutely and

2906
01:40:44,709 --> 01:40:42,719
and i think like when it comes to like

2907
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:44,719
the preeminent investigators

2908
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:46,719
and some of the cases that they have

2909
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:48,080
worked on and i think one that

2910
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:49,920
immediately comes to mind is

2911
01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:53,280
linda napolitano's case like that case

2912
01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:54,159
kind of

2913
01:40:58,790 --> 01:40:56,400
i i think ruined the credibility of bud

2914
01:41:00,709 --> 01:40:58,800
hopkins for a lot of people just because

2915
01:41:02,149 --> 01:41:00,719
of the way that he presented his

2916
01:41:05,189 --> 01:41:02,159
information and

2917
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:05,199
the way that um you know like no

2918
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:07,040
no there's 22 witnesses we don't know

2919
01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:08,239
who the hell they are

2920
01:41:12,149 --> 01:41:10,480
they they contacted you anonymously

2921
01:41:14,149 --> 01:41:12,159
through letter and all this stuff and

2922
01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:14,159
there's like some weird love triangle

2923
01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:16,239
that's happening here and like i've been

2924
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:18,320
i've been blasted for my critical

2925
01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:20,239
opinions of bud hopkins i think he was

2926
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:22,480
a a fantastic researcher don't get me

2927
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:23,679
wrong but i think

2928
01:41:28,229 --> 01:41:25,360
he went down a line of thinking that

2929
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:28,239
kind of like i don't know soiled it

2930
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:32,000
in in a way but uh yeah

2931
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:34,880
motives are uh you know everybody's got

2932
01:41:39,669 --> 01:41:35,920
a different motive

2933
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:39,679
in this case and uh we can't uh also

2934
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:41,440
like leave out the fact that sometimes

2935
01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:42,880
money has to do with it

2936
01:41:46,390 --> 01:41:44,560
so i'm all about the money yeah

2937
01:41:49,990 --> 01:41:46,400
absolutely absolutely like

2938
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:50,000
uh speaking of uh the you guys are not

2939
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:51,760
getting paid for this just so you know i

2940
01:42:01,830 --> 01:41:54,800
am uh uh i'm well i'm getting

2941
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:01,840
interference here

2942
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:04,239
um but uh yeah like different

2943
01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:05,199
motivations i

2944
01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:07,199
definitely think play a part in this uh

2945
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:09,520
desdemona said put this panel on a shirt

2946
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:10,719
and i think we should we should

2947
01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:26,470
i think this is where we're gonna we're

2948
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:28,320
gonna wrap it for this first

2949
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:31,840
edition of the blue ribbon panel so

2950
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:34,320
uh thank you all for coming on this was

2951
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:35,920
this was super fun to do

2952
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:38,960
it was a lot of fun thanks for having us

2953
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:42,320
thanks man it's so good absolutely um

2954
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:45,760
yeah folks and um yeah don't forget to

2955
01:42:49,189 --> 01:42:46,800
look up

2956
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:49,199
support your local ufologist yeah

2957
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:50,320
support your

2958
01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:53,199
apology keep looking up you never know

2959
01:42:56,229 --> 01:42:55,040
what you'll find in our strange skies

2960
01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:56,239
and you never know what you'll find on

2961
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:57,920
your computer screen when five guys get

2962
01:43:10,490 --> 01:43:00,480
together and just talk about ufos

2963
01:43:22,830 --> 01:43:10,500
in gray we trust

2964
01:43:25,530 --> 01:43:22,840
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2965
01:43:40,050 --> 01:43:25,540
so

2966
01:43:45,220 --> 01:43:43,530
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